Riots in Little India

(09-12-2013, 01:31 PM)yeokiwi Wrote:

(09-12-2013, 12:20 PM)sgd Wrote:

(09-12-2013, 11:47 AM)yeokiwi Wrote: Congregations of workers from subcontinental at Little India is the choice of Singaporeans.(anywhere except my place)
Looking down on blue collar jobs is also the choice of Singaporeans.
Cheap food, cheap maid, more condos, more flats are also the choice of Singaporeans.
Retire before 40 is also the choice of Singaporeans (hey.. how many retired before 40 threads do we have in this forum??)
If you retire before 40, besides replacing you, we also need more FWs to serve you.

It is nice to push all blames to the policy makers but we have to look at the mirror ourself.
Policy makers made those policies because that is what the majority wants.

To begin, with a salary that leads a nominal life, is it ok for your kids to be cleaners/construction workers/garbage collectors?

and please, do your houseworks yourself.

It's very easy to say majority want this and look down on blue collar jobs. Consider that government has raised living standards, home prices have gone up but pay has not changed very much. who can survive on low income?

Yes. It is easy to say because that is the current situation. There is a cost to everything.
The government can be changed but can your mentality change?
No maid?
Return your own tray?
Rent seeking mindset?
Passive investor career?
Wait longer for flat?

So what if you can change the government but the hoard mentality remains the same?

We not talking about changing or replacing government rather the government has set these trends and expectations. Ask the old timers what a 3 room used to cost compares to prices now. What about gst, public transport costs everything has gone up.

So it's not about majority that want these things rather it's the goverment that want our money and set these expectations and targets for us to meet so majority of people have no choice but to be selective with their careers if they want to survive here.

But if government policy is such that everybody has high pay while we make everything expensive - like in japan can it not work? You don't see bangladesh construction worker or cleaner in japan, you see japanese construction worker and cleaner how come things are more expensive there yet there are japanese people still doing such jobs?

Is because of money our government here purposely supress it.

So if people have high pay equally there will be high service expectation, no need to return trays because somebody is well compensated for doing that job.

(09-12-2013, 01:52 PM)sgd Wrote: But if government policy is such that everybody has high pay while we make everything expensive - like in japan can it not work? You don't see bangladesh construction worker or cleaner in japan, you see japanese construction worker and cleaner how come things are more expensive there yet there are japanese people still doing such jobs?

Is because of money our government here purposely supress it.

So if people have high pay equally there will be high service expectation, no need to return trays because somebody is well compensated for doing that job.

Japan model is the prefered model?

FYI, in Japan's Abenomics, one of the arrow is structural reform, and one of the key issues in the reform is immigration policy.

I did envy the long holiday our European counterparts were enjoying, but not the austerity they are having now.

(09-12-2013, 02:25 PM)CityFarmer Wrote:

(09-12-2013, 01:52 PM)sgd Wrote: But if government policy is such that everybody has high pay while we make everything expensive - like in japan can it not work? You don't see bangladesh construction worker or cleaner in japan, you see japanese construction worker and cleaner how come things are more expensive there yet there are japanese people still doing such jobs?

Is because of money our government here purposely supress it.

So if people have high pay equally there will be high service expectation, no need to return trays because somebody is well compensated for doing that job.

Japan model is the prefered model?

FYI, in Japan's Abenomics, one of the arrow is structural reform, and one of the key issues in the reform is immigration policy.

I did envy the long holiday our European counterparts were enjoying, but not the austerity they are having now.

everybody knows immigration is because of greying population but how has our opening of floodgates to FT helped increase our birthrates? it's still less than 1.3 and under the required 2.1 does it shows any drastic improvements? So trying to say japanese are maybe trying to follow suit like singapore example when we have very little to show for proves very little.

But the japanese system where everyone has high pay has worked for many decades and is proven what do you say about that?

if somebody have high pay more likely the case they will value and take pride to do a good job and less likely to complain about anything and create incidents such as these.

What I envy Jap is they look into having robots to serve them instead of thinking of easy solutions by relying on foreign labours.

Japan is not perfect and will never be. Did Japan resort to mass-import of FTs/F labours to reduce cost? Their economy has evolved to such that the higher salary is compensated with high quality and pride. Here, people are more into making more profit, and using cheapest cost (third world). And when the competitiveness of our businesses is absent, a easi alternative import foreign business and people to live here.

(09-12-2013, 04:06 PM)Bibi Wrote: What I envy Jap is they look into having robots to serve them instead of thinking of easy solutions by relying on foreign labours.

Do you encourage your kids to be scientists or engineers?
or follow the same hoard mentality - either doctors, lawyers, accountants or bankers ?

Since most of our kids are going to be bankers, lawyers and accountants, our skill sets are limited to serving the richs and exploit the poors.

Build robots in Singapore to serve us? Go where to find the expertise?? Import FTs?

(09-12-2013, 03:04 PM)sgd Wrote:

(09-12-2013, 02:25 PM)CityFarmer Wrote:

(09-12-2013, 01:52 PM)sgd Wrote: But if government policy is such that everybody has high pay while we make everything expensive - like in japan can it not work? You don't see bangladesh construction worker or cleaner in japan, you see japanese construction worker and cleaner how come things are more expensive there yet there are japanese people still doing such jobs?

Is because of money our government here purposely supress it.

So if people have high pay equally there will be high service expectation, no need to return trays because somebody is well compensated for doing that job.

Japan model is the prefered model?

FYI, in Japan's Abenomics, one of the arrow is structural reform, and one of the key issues in the reform is immigration policy.

I did envy the long holiday our European counterparts were enjoying, but not the austerity they are having now.

everybody knows immigration is because of greying population but how has our opening of floodgates to FT helped increase our birthrates? it's still less than 1.3 and under the required 2.1 does it shows any drastic improvements? So trying to say japanese are maybe trying to follow suit like singapore example when we have very little to show for proves very little.

But the japanese system where everyone has high pay has worked for many decades and is proven what do you say about that?

if somebody have high pay more likely the case they will value and take pride to do a good job and less likely to complain about anything and create incidents such as these.

Everyone likes high pay, including me. If it is sustainable, there is no reason not to opt for it.

I think a lot of folks here should stand for election in the next GE as they seem to have the solutions for the problems happening in Singapore. They would know how to implement policies that would satisfy all citizens and ensure Singapore prosperity and economic well being while maintaining the security of this great country.

I will be waiting to vote for you guys! =)

That is so true. Most smart parents want their kids nowadays to get into doc, accounting, law courses. That's where the high salary is and i do agree to it. Coincidentally the top earners are also from these fields. Engineering? They w generally import cheap engrs from China, pinoys, indians, Myanmar, msia etc.

(09-12-2013, 04:27 PM)yeokiwi Wrote:

(09-12-2013, 04:06 PM)Bibi Wrote: What I envy Jap is they look into having robots to serve them instead of thinking of easy solutions by relying on foreign labours.

Do you encourage your kids to be scientists or engineers?
or follow the same hoard mentality - either doctors, lawyers, accountants or bankers ?

Since most of our kids are going to be bankers, lawyers and accountants, our skill sets are limited to serving the richs and exploit the poors.

Build robots in Singapore to serve us? Go where to find the expertise?? Import FTs?

So far, our forum seems OK. Thanks for our buddies' effort.

Regards
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Netizens urged to not spread rumours over Little India riot

SINGAPORE — Police have advised netizens against spreading unsubstantiated information in the aftermath of the violence in Little India last night (Dec 8).

They said such acts would be unhelpful to investigations, may generate unnecessary public alarm, and cause fear and panic in the community.

Posting on their Facebook page today afternoon, police also laid out some key facts to dispel rumours circulating online.

They said it was a fact that police officers displayed maximum restraint and did not fire any weapon throughout the incident, and this had prevented the incident from escalating further.

Police also said they resolved the situation and had it under control within an hour. CHANNEL NEWSASIA

http://www.todayonline.com/singapore/net...india-riot