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(27-12-2013, 10:11 AM)Dividend Warrior Wrote: (27-12-2013, 09:36 AM)CityFarmer Wrote: There was a well-covered topic in the following thread. You can get all the detail from the posts.
One of the method used was XIRR with MS Excel
http://www.valuebuddies.com/thread-2152-page-25.html
Hi CityFarmer,
Thanks for the Excel template. Can I use this template just for 2013, or should I use it over a few consecutive years?
Sorry for the noobish question. This is the first time I am using this template.
Thanks.
I used it on a multi-year list. You can also breaks it down and works on each individual year on the same list.
There was detail given by posts in the thread.
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(27-12-2013, 10:37 AM)CityFarmer Wrote: (27-12-2013, 10:11 AM)Dividend Warrior Wrote: (27-12-2013, 09:36 AM)CityFarmer Wrote: There was a well-covered topic in the following thread. You can get all the detail from the posts.
One of the method used was XIRR with MS Excel
http://www.valuebuddies.com/thread-2152-page-25.html
Hi CityFarmer,
Thanks for the Excel template. Can I use this template just for 2013, or should I use it over a few consecutive years?
Sorry for the noobish question. This is the first time I am using this template.
Thanks.
I used it on a multi-year list. You can also breaks it down and works on each individual year on the same list.
There was detail given by posts in the thread.
Ok. Thanks. I will try to tabulate the results.
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(27-12-2013, 11:43 AM)smallcaps Wrote: The template assumes that cash is never taken out of the portfolio. If u know the actual cash injections/withdrawals/idling, then need to add as additional rows. It was meant to make easier for people like me who only record buy/sell transactions without tracking of cash.
We can use it either way, but must be consistent, otherwise might double count.
I always assume no idling cash, sell = cash withdrawal, and buy = cash injection as and when it happens.
More were discussed in the thread.
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I have keyed in all the figures into the template, and the computer tells me that the XIRR for 2013 is 4.1%
Somehow, I have a feeling I am using the excel template wrongly.....
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Dw your returns cannot be only this, likely some problems with the template. Because your dividend yield alone is already more than that and i dont think your portfolio as a whole suffered a capital loss
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(27-12-2013, 01:56 PM)Dividend Warrior Wrote: I have keyed in all the figures into the template, and the computer tells me that the XIRR for 2013 is 4.1%
Somehow, I have a feeling I am using the excel template wrongly.....
You can troubleshoot with approach of one step at a time.
First starts with portfolio value at the start and end, XIRR return should tally with the % increment.
Next add in the dividends, the XIRR return should tally
Then add in the sell/buy transaction(s).
Hope it will help.
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Net Asset Value as of 27 Dec 13: 110.71 index points
Net Asset Value as of 26 Dec 12: 103.00 index points
Spending for year = 7.98 index points (huge as I had a complete renovation of an apartment)
Implied return = (110.71+7.98)/(103.00) = 15.2%
Asset allocation as of 27 Dec 13:
Equities = 34.53%
Fixed Income = 15.44%
Options = 1.17%
Property = 26.41% (Approximately 70% loan for 2 properties)
Cash = 5.36% (generally lower but I just sold a business)
Private Ventures not MTM = 14.67%
Insurance Residuals + Durables/Cars = 2.42%
Equity portion had a fantastic run, Fixed Income was a dog as expected but I am more a permanent portfolio type guy so even though I hate it I will keep some in case I am wrong.
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(27-12-2013, 04:34 PM)CityFarmer Wrote: (27-12-2013, 01:56 PM)Dividend Warrior Wrote: I have keyed in all the figures into the template, and the computer tells me that the XIRR for 2013 is 4.1%
Somehow, I have a feeling I am using the excel template wrongly.....
You can troubleshoot with approach of one step at a time.
First starts with portfolio value at the start and end, XIRR return should tally with the % increment.
Next add in the dividends, the XIRR return should tally
Then add in the sale/buy transaction.
Hope it will help.
Thanks CityFarmer.
I followed your steps and re-entered all the figures. And since I am already doing it, might as well start from the beginning of my investing journey in 2010. Took me quite a while to enter all the data.
XIRR return of my portfolio from 2010 to 2013 (4-year period) is 12.2%.
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then perhaps it is possible to have a XIRR of 4.1% for 2013 alone.