Yanlord Land Group

[tonylim]

Hi Thaddy0103 ,
 Many thanks . What I meant was Property Investor ( P .I )was claiming Aberdeen was selling when YL share price went down but no announcement was made by Aberdeen because its holding had fallen below 5% , thus no obligation for Aberdeen to declare . Logically if Aberdeen did not declare and P. I . claimed  Aberdeen was selling ,  he must have known something that retail investors like you and me dont know. I am tracking SGX announcement daily .
Now CF said with right tool/platform , not difficult to get info of sellers . What I want is to know which tool/platform to check so that it can help me to track who are selling/buying in my core holdings.

Well, I hope I wouldn't be the new target.  

Once upon a time, I talked to a self-claimed and yet-to-verify "High-Freq trader". I reckon, it might be just a market-maker. With a right platform (likely paid), we can see live sell/buy queue in a certain depth. (this is not new to you, I assume). He had explained to me various way to peek into the queue, as simple as to get a small trade done to know the seller, and blah-blah. I have to put up a disclaimer, I didn't verify all the means nor the person, but I am sure we can get seller info, with your done trade. Now we know why so many 1 lots trade in the past, and 100 shares trade now? 

I don't intent to participate the "debate", since the seller, isn't important to me. What is more important to me, is the buyer. Investors sell for many reasons, but buy ONLY to gain, IMO.

Regards
CF

Hi CF, thank you for explaining to cfa here. I am familiar with the platform which the said person mention to you. What he explained to you is just the tip of the iceberg. This feature rich platform, which came from the US, is an industry standard and is mainly used by prop and professional traders. You are right to say that it doesnt come cheap and it operates on a licensing model. 

And yes, these people are mainly responsible for all the 1lot transaction as such transactions are a by product of some of the platform features

Not my intention to join in the debate but curious to know how can the one lot trade reveal the true identity of the buyer or seller . It only reveal the brokering house as counter party .

[propertyinvestor]

Hi Thaddy0103 ,
 Many thanks . What I meant was Property Investor ( P .I )was claiming Aberdeen was selling when YL share price went down but no announcement was made by Aberdeen because its holding had fallen below 5% , thus no obligation for Aberdeen to declare . Logically if Aberdeen did not declare and P. I . claimed  Aberdeen was selling ,  he must have known something that retail investors like you and me dont know. I am tracking SGX announcement daily .
Now CF said with right tool/platform , not difficult to get info of sellers . What I want is to know which tool/platform to check so that it can help me to track who are selling/buying in my core holdings.

Well, I hope I wouldn't be the new target.  

Once upon a time, I talked to a self-claimed and yet-to-verify "High-Freq trader". I reckon, it might be just a market-maker. With a right platform (likely paid), we can see live sell/buy queue in a certain depth. (this is not new to you, I assume). He had explained to me various way to peek into the queue, as simple as to get a small trade done to know the seller, and blah-blah. I have to put up a disclaimer, I didn't verify all the means nor the person, but I am sure we can get seller info, with your done trade. Now we know why so many 1 lots trade in the past, and 100 shares trade now? 

I don't intent to participate the "debate", since the seller, isn't important to me. What is more important to me, is the buyer. Investors sell for many reasons, but buy ONLY to gain, IMO.

Regards
CF

Hi CF, thank you for explaining to cfa here. I am familiar with the platform which the said person mention to you. What he explained to you is just the tip of the iceberg. This feature rich platform, which came from the US, is an industry standard and is mainly used by prop and professional traders. You are right to say that it doesnt come cheap and it operates on a licensing model. 

And yes, these people are mainly responsible for all the 1lot transaction as such transactions are a by product of some of the platform features

Not my intention to join in the debate but curious to know how can the one lot trade reveal the true identity of the buyer or seller . It only reveal the brokering house as counter party .

Those one lot trades are usually to test the water and find out information on the counterparty. doesnt reveal the true identity.

[tonylim]

Hi Thaddy0103 ,
 Many thanks . What I meant was Property Investor ( P .I )was claiming Aberdeen was selling when YL share price went down but no announcement was made by Aberdeen because its holding had fallen below 5% , thus no obligation for Aberdeen to declare . Logically if Aberdeen did not declare and P. I . claimed  Aberdeen was selling ,  he must have known something that retail investors like you and me dont know. I am tracking SGX announcement daily .
Now CF said with right tool/platform , not difficult to get info of sellers . What I want is to know which tool/platform to check so that it can help me to track who are selling/buying in my core holdings.

Well, I hope I wouldn't be the new target.  

Once upon a time, I talked to a self-claimed and yet-to-verify "High-Freq trader". I reckon, it might be just a market-maker. With a right platform (likely paid), we can see live sell/buy queue in a certain depth. (this is not new to you, I assume). He had explained to me various way to peek into the queue, as simple as to get a small trade done to know the seller, and blah-blah. I have to put up a disclaimer, I didn't verify all the means nor the person, but I am sure we can get seller info, with your done trade. Now we know why so many 1 lots trade in the past, and 100 shares trade now? 

I don't intent to participate the "debate", since the seller, isn't important to me. What is more important to me, is the buyer. Investors sell for many reasons, but buy ONLY to gain, IMO.

Regards
CF

Hi CF, thank you for explaining to cfa here. I am familiar with the platform which the said person mention to you. What he explained to you is just the tip of the iceberg. This feature rich platform, which came from the US, is an industry standard and is mainly used by prop and professional traders. You are right to say that it doesnt come cheap and it operates on a licensing model. 

And yes, these people are mainly responsible for all the 1lot transaction as such transactions are a by product of some of the platform features

Not my intention to join in the debate but curious to know how can the one lot trade reveal the true identity of the buyer or seller . It only reveal the brokering house as counter party .

Those one lot trades are usually to test the water and find out information on the counterparty. doesnt reveal the true identity.

In this case why need to pay expensively for the rich platform , when we can get such info from free normal internet trading account 

[cfa]

Well, I hope I wouldn't be the new target.  

Once upon a time, I talked to a self-claimed and yet-to-verify "High-Freq trader". I reckon, it might be just a market-maker. With a right platform (likely paid), we can see live sell/buy queue in a certain depth. (this is not new to you, I assume). He had explained to me various way to peek into the queue, as simple as to get a small trade done to know the seller, and blah-blah. I have to put up a disclaimer, I didn't verify all the means nor the person, but I am sure we can get seller info, with your done trade. Now we know why so many 1 lots trade in the past, and 100 shares trade now? 

I don't intent to participate the "debate", since the seller, isn't important to me. What is more important to me, is the buyer. Investors sell for many reasons, but buy ONLY to gain, IMO.

Regards
CF

Hi CF, thank you for explaining to cfa here. I am familiar with the platform which the said person mention to you. What he explained to you is just the tip of the iceberg. This feature rich platform, which came from the US, is an industry standard and is mainly used by prop and professional traders. You are right to say that it doesnt come cheap and it operates on a licensing model. 

And yes, these people are mainly responsible for all the 1lot transaction as such transactions are a by product of some of the platform features

Not my intention to join in the debate but curious to know how can the one lot trade reveal the true identity of the buyer or seller . It only reveal the brokering house as counter party .

Those one lot trades are usually to test the water and find out information on the counterparty. doesnt reveal the true identity.

In this case why need to pay expensively for the rich platform , when we can get such info from free normal internet trading account 

This what  the so-called '' rich platform/tool '' ?
I have been getting this info from my iocbc and other brokerage trading accounts for free !

[CityFarmer]

In this case why need to pay expensively for the rich platform , when we can get such info from free normal internet trading account 

There is a role of "market-maker" in our stock market. Market makers need specific privileges (via licensing) to work, and are obligated to fulfill some liquidity benchmark.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/c2ff9afc-...z47VFraN3S

I don't think you can be a market-maker by using free trading account.  

[tonylim]

In this case why need to pay expensively for the rich platform , when we can get such info from free normal internet trading account 

There is a role of "market-maker" in our stock market. Market makers need specific privileges (via licensing) to work, and are obligated to fulfill some liquidity benchmark.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/c2ff9afc-...z47VFraN3S

I don't think you can be a market-maker by using free trading account.  

We are just retail investors , how can we become market makers like those  financial institutions ?
Even market makers will only know the brokerage of the counter party , not the identities of the buyers/sellers , unless divulging these info is not illegal .
Anyway thanks for all the clarifications.

[Thaddy0103]

Credit rating by Moody's

http://infopub.sgx.com/FileOpen/10-05-20...eID=403830

Divested last week looking to accumulate back once China Govt has a clearer policies in place over Tier 1 homes sales and it debts issue.Market sentiments can be a deadly foe.

[propertyinvestor]

Very good set of results. Not even capitaland can generate such decent profits and cashflow.... Unfortunately.....

[cyclone]

Yanlord partners China Merchants Property Development and Poly Real Estate to develop Nanjing land parcel

* Yanlord partners with respective subsidiaries of China Merchants Property Development Co., Ltd. and Poly Real Estate Group Co, Ltd. to develop approximately 170,000 square metre gross floor area land parcel in Nanjing city’s Gulou district, which was acquired through a public land auction for a consideration of approximately RMB4.82 billion.

* Ideally situated within the core region of Nanjing city, the site benefits from excellent connectivity as well as a comprehensive and mature suite of lifestyle amenities to cater to every need.

[cfa]

YANLORD 1H 2016 NET PROFIT ATTRIBUTABLE TO OWNERS OF THE COMPANY SURGES 213.1% TO RMB584.1 MILLION ON STRONG MARKET DEMAND FOR ITS PRIME DEVELOPMENTS    

Underscored by healthy home buyer demand in the PRC and robust pre-sale delivery, 1H 2016 revenue rose 206.2% to RMB10.257 billion, while profit attributable to owners of the Company rose 213.1% to RMB584.1 million in 1H 2016.

Healthy market sentiments in the PRC propelled the Group’s pre-sale accumulation in 1H 2016. Pre-sale of properties and car parks in 1H 2016 rose 55.3% to RMB17.128 billion from RMB11.027 billion in 1H 2015 while accumulated pre-sales pending recognition as at 30 June 2016 was RMB28.884 billion.

Robust sales collection underscores the Group’s healthy financials which had a net debt to equity gearing ratio of 1.9% as at 30 June 2016. Cash and cash equivalents position was RMB18.955 billion as at 30 June 2016. Fully diluted earnings per share in 1H 2016 rose 213.2% to 29.97 Renminbi cents.

To augment the Group’s future development, Yanlord has announced the acquisition of stakes in seven land parcels across first and second tier cities of China with total GFA of approximately 1.78 million sqm since the beginning of 2016.