Me & My Money Series (Sunday Times)

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"Freethought is a philosophical viewpoint that holds opinions should be formed on the basis of logic, reason and empiricism and not authority, tradition, or other dogmas. The experience of freethought is known as "freethinking," and practitioners of freethought are known as "freethinkers."

So perhaps i should say i am free-thinker and also an atheist. There are no contradiction between them i assume Tongue

Thanks Kopikat for your input. I believe atheist may be a better term used base on my limited "angmo" language proficiency Tongue I might be wrong.
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Pascal Wager
Quote:-1)

" If God does not exist, it does not matter how you wager, for there is nothing to win after death and nothing to lose after death. But if God does exist, your only chance of winning eternal happiness is to believe, and your only chance of losing it is to refuse to believe. As Pascal says, "I should be much more afraid of being mistaken and then finding out that Christianity is true than of being mistaken in believing it to be true." If you believe too much, you neither win nor lose eternal happiness. But if you believe too little, you risk losing everything."

Quote:- 2)
There is another approach that demonstrates the failure(s) of the Pascal's Wager argument. It is not really different, only simpler for the theist to understand. I like to call it "Willie's Wager."
Willie's Wager
1. Either William is God or William is not God.
2. If William is God and you worship and obey William during your life, William will give you whatever you desire for all eternity after you die. If you choose not to worship and obey William during your life, William will give you an eternity of what you fear the most, more than any Hell you could ever imagine.
3. If William is not God, then it doesn't matter what you do. Your life will just end one day and there will be no eternity.
Therefore, you should spend your life worshipping William and obeying all his instructions just to be safe.
Furthermore, it is a better bet to believe in William over all other possible gods since William offers both the best "Heaven" and the worst "Hell."
Now doesn't that seem rather silly.
Yours in the search for truth,
William T. Flowers
Dothan, Alabama
IMO.
(In this case it seems also for those who believe "Cults")


Answer:-
My reply:
First I would like to assert three things:
1) It is impossible to prove that God exists. For this reason, Christians are required to reply ( i think should be "to rely" not "to reply") on "faith" and not on proof.
2) I would define "faith" in the way the Bible defines faith: "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see." (Hebrews 11:1) In other words, "Faith is believing with certainty that which cannot be proven."
3) It is impossible to prove that God doesn't exist, because it is impossible to prove that God exists (see 1).
If you want someone to prove that an anti-theist God doesn't exist, you must first prove that he does exist. Otherwise it cannot be proven. This is mainly the reason why no one can disprove the existence of God: no one has yet to prove his existence! The Christian God is slightly different because Christians accept him by "faith" and not by proof.
Regards,
Billy Coppin



IMO:
For those who practise "Pascal Wager" is taking GOD as an Insurance AGENT to put it mildly. To put it harshly you think you can outsmart GOD.TongueTongue


Ephesians 2:8-9:
"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."
WB:-

1) Rule # 1, do not lose money.
2) Rule # 2, refer to # 1.
3) Not until you can manage your emotions, you can manage your money.

Truism of Investments.
A) Buying a security is buying RISK not Return
B) You can control RISK (to a certain level, hopefully only.) But definitely not the outcome of the Return.

NB:-
My signature is meant for psychoing myself. No offence to anyone. i am trying not to lose money unnecessary anymore.
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(18-11-2012, 04:29 PM)CityFarmer Wrote: I believe atheist may be a better term used base on limited "angmo" language proficiency Tongue I might be wrong.

For an ang-mo, it may be historically more sensitive to go aro' telling everyone you are an Atheist. Reasons (my opinion only), extracts from wiki,


How dangerous it was to be accused of being an atheist at this time is illustrated by the examples of Étienne Dolet who was strangled and burned in 1546, and Giulio Cesare Vanini who received a similar fate in 1619. In 1689 the Polish nobleman Kazimierz Łyszczyński, who had allegedly denied the existence of God in his philosophical treatise De non existentia Dei, was condemned to death in Warsaw for atheism and beheaded after his tongue was pulled out with a burning iron and his hands slowly burned.

Ya, better safe than sorry...Big Grin
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What I like about this week's story is that, this guy quit his full time job to coach a sport which he obviously enjoys, and has flexible job schedule.

To handle the unstable income from a freelance job, he rented out 2 of his rooms to create a passive income stream. If he manages to buy a condo unit and keep his flat, his rental income will increase further.

He has a target where he will say "enough" and stop working (about $4,000 a month).
He has fully paid his flat and save about 50 per cent of his monthly income (despite the rolex watches and lexus? perhaps some info was left out)
His sports equipment side business provides additional side income from his students and schools.

His problem is that he did not learn to invest himself but rely on bank officer. I think he is more suited for the property-buy-and-rent-out route rather than the rigor investigative work required of equity invesment.
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For any businessman, it is far better to invest in the business they are running than anything else.
Unless it is a sunset industry where prospects are bleak, then again the person should have figured that out and started
something else.

Unit trusts is a triple whammy, 1st pay pay the banks, the banks pay the fund managers, and depending on the type of investments the fund managers are making, the investment may involve the business owner giving up his stake in the company and hiring someone to run it. Heck, so many layers of people.
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If he is spending all his time as a free-lance coach and in his business, maybe he don't have the time to do his own investments? Thus, he will need to rely on unit trust (passive investment style) to grow his wealth. While it is not the best kind of investment, it may be suitable for some people. His business may not need so much of his money too, so better to invest them, rather than keep them as saving.

He must be rather good in earning money, considering since 2007, he had paid off (1) a $232,000 HDB, (2) 2x Rolex total $27,000, and (3) have $100,000 to invest in a business venture, and he is only 32. He income is definitely not $3000/mth, considering (1) $12,000 insurance premium (per year?), (2) $1000 credit bill per month & (3) servicing of car loan, and that suppose to make up 50% of his income.

He is definitely not an ordinary person.
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Parents owns a business.. what do you think?
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We all own pieces of good business, that alone should beat someone who invests in unit trust, with layers and layers of fees
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(19-11-2012, 11:11 PM)mrEngineer Wrote: Parents owns a business.. what do you think?

If you're implying that the numbers just don't seem to add up... That his expenditure and savings levels appear too high for his likely income, and the logical conclusion is an"outside supplement", I'm with you on that Smile
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Seems very alike compared to last week's interviewee - he also bought an extravagant car (costing more than his HDB wow), also plans to buy a condominiun (investment property) and hardly invests anything in shares/equities. Tongue And wow does he have a lot of luxury watches - these things aren't cheap! Basically another property-centric investor; but he and his wife have a thriving business which I applaud! Big Grin

The Straits Times
www.straitstimes.com
Published on Nov 25, 2012
me & my money
Husband and wife make a good fit

Ex-Air Force man's engineering expertise and wife's interior design skills win deals

By Magdalen Ng

When Mr Kelvin Teo completed his seven-year contract with the Air Force in 2005, his wife, Jerlyn, had just started her interior design firm, JP Concept.

Business was picking up, so Mr Teo thought it was logical to help out in the business, even though he had no experience in the interior design trade.

The 37-year-old said: "I started picking up the skills and experience from my wife who has been working in this trade for about 10 years."

His background was in engineering, so the holder of an electrical and electronics engineering diploma took charge of the firm's mechanical and electrical departments.

JP Concept specialises in hospitality and commercial projects, and has completed restaurant and cafe projects in China, Indonesia and Malaysia.

Clients include the Imperial Treasure Restaurant group, Marina Mandarin Singapore, iL Lido - an Italian restaurant in Sentosa, and Food Junction Holdings.

Q: Are you a spender or saver?

When I was young, I was more of a saver, mostly because of my family's situation.

But when I started working, the odds were split fifty-fifty because I have a weakness for computer gad-gets and watches.

Altogether, my wife and I have three iPads at home, even though there're only two of us.

For watches, I own an IWC, a Panarei and a Ball. Every two years, I will be itching for a new watch. I go for more recognised brands, and I see them as a form of investment too.

Q: How much do you charge to your credit card every month?

It would be about $2,000 to $3,000, for both personal and office use. If I travel overseas for projects, then the sum would be more.

I pay off my bills each month.

I spend mostly on food, since my company mainly deals with projects related to the food and beverage industry.

We need to understand and keep ourselves up to date with the latest trends in the market. Visiting the latest restaurants and cafes is part of my job.

Although I have more than five cards, I mainly use two cards for everyday expenses. Each week, I also draw about $400 from the ATM.

Q: What financial planning have you done?

I save about 10 per cent of my monthly income and invest 20 per cent. The rest is used for monthly expenses and whatever I have left after that is kept in cash for emergency use.

Both my wife and I have life, medical and travel insurance policies.

We are working towards a total payout of $1 million each, in the event of death or total permanent disability.

I am a very conservative person, so my investments are mainly in local blue-chip stocks.

So far, I have been managing my portfolio myself, so that I can save on the cost of commission or administrative charges by the financial institutions.

I am trying to achieve the target of about 10 to 20 per cent annual returns.

Q: Money-wise, what were your growing-up years like?

I grew up in a low- to middle-income family.

My father was a shipyard foreman while my mum is a housewife. I have a younger sister.

We were living in a rented one-room flat in Queenstown during that time. My father's income was just enough to support the family's basic expenses.

I started doing part-time work during the school holidays when I was 14 years old to earn extra pocket money for myself.

The money was saved to last me through from when school reopened till the next holiday.

I have always been taught to be independent and to work hard for money.

Q: How did you get interested in investing?

Since young, I have seen my aunt and uncle talking about shares and how much they have been making in the stock market.

When I turned 21, I opened a Central Depository (CDP) account to trade shares.

My first investment was an IPO, and I invested $10,000. But after about three years,the company was delisted, and I lost about $3,000.

Q: What property do you own?

A four-room flat in Jurong West, which I bought in 2000 for $120,000. It is 95 sq m. It is worth about $450,000 now.

My wife and I also recently purchased a commercial property in Paya Lebar. It is 1,000 sq ft and cost $650,000.

It will be ready by the third quarter of next year and we intend to keep it for our own use.

My property agent friend notified me that there was a special promotion price for this particular commercial space that I have been eyeing for about a year.

Q: What's the most extravagant thing you have bought?

That would probably be my car, a black Volvo S60. I bought it for $160,000 in 2010, and sometimes I still ask myself why I spent more on my car than on my flat.

At that time, I had been driving my previous car for about four years.

The certificate of entitlement (COE) price was about $40,000 and at that point in time it was expected to rise further, so we either had to buy it then, or put on hold our plans of buying a new car for a while.

My wife just left the decision to me, so long as she feels comfortable sitting in the new car.

The latest version of the S60 had just been launched then, and I really liked the performance and the safety aspects of the car, so I must admit it was a slightly impulsive decision.

Q: What's your retirement plan?

I don't intend to retire so soon, maybe when I'm 60?

I will have another 20 years to build up the assets that I require.

To maintain our current lifestyle comfortably, we would probably need $6,000 to $8,000 each month.

I'm saving to buy a condominium in the next two years, so hopefully when the market adjusts we can buy.

It will be an investment property, and a safeguard for our retirement.

Together with our savings and the money in our Central Provident Fund accounts, we should be able to meet our target.

Q: Home is now...

A four-room Housing Board flat in Jurong West.

Q: I drive...

A black Volvo S60.

songyuan@sph.com.sg

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Worst and best bets

Q: What has been your worst investment to date?


It was a unit trust fund that was recommended by a friend, and I bought the fund without doing much research. I invested about $20,000.

The initial idea was to keep it for a few years, hoping it would appreciate in value. But after a few years, I noticed that the counter had been dropping and there were administrative charges incurred every year.

Finally I decided to sell off the fund and lost about $5,000.

Q: And your best?

It would be my design company JP Concept, although we invested only about $20,000 during the initial start-up.

Through the years, we have seen the revenue increasing by about 20 per cent annually, and we are preparing to open offices in Indonesia and Malaysia soon.
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