China Minzhong Food Corporation

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(26-08-2013, 02:11 PM)Some-one Wrote:
(26-08-2013, 01:36 PM)Behappyalways Wrote: 100 marks for CMZ's management on CREATIVITY

two weeks ago there was this interview on Glaucus in TheEdge Magazine.......They are now looking at Singapore and HK markets......I bet more questionable companies will appear....

Glaucus's price target $0.

http://chinaminzhong.com.sg/analyst_coverage.htm

That's good. I like to see bearish reports instead of bullish reports from the analysts. Big Grin

http://www.theedgesingapore.com/the-dail...eport.html

"Six of the seven analysts covering Minzhong recommend investors buy the stock, while one rates the stock a hold, Bloomberg data show."

It showed that it is risky to rely on analyst's reports to invest...Big Grin
“夏则资皮,冬则资纱,旱则资船,水则资车” - 范蠡
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(26-08-2013, 02:47 PM)CityFarmer Wrote:
(26-08-2013, 02:11 PM)Some-one Wrote:
(26-08-2013, 01:36 PM)Behappyalways Wrote: 100 marks for CMZ's management on CREATIVITY

two weeks ago there was this interview on Glaucus in TheEdge Magazine.......They are now looking at Singapore and HK markets......I bet more questionable companies will appear....

Glaucus's price target $0.

http://chinaminzhong.com.sg/analyst_coverage.htm

That's good. I like to see bearish reports instead of bullish reports from the analysts. Big Grin

http://www.theedgesingapore.com/the-dail...eport.html

"Six of the seven analysts covering Minzhong recommend investors buy the stock, while one rates the stock a hold, Bloomberg data show."

It showed that it is risky to rely on analyst's reports to invest...Big Grin

Later on, see who quietly dropped coverage....
"... but quitting while you're ahead is not the same as quitting." - Quote from the movie American Gangster
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An interesting read the report. I especially like the picture with the caption "Magic Mushrooms" Big Grin
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i wonder how will a circuit breaker (as recently proposed & announced by sgx) gg to help in this case today?

if there was one, long term shareholders will not suffer >40% drop today, on the other hand it will disadvantage shortsellers

if there was none, shortsellers are most happy
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(26-08-2013, 04:20 PM)pianist Wrote: i wonder how will a circuit breaker (as recently proposed & announced by sgx) gg to help in this case today?

if there was one, long term shareholders will not suffer >40% drop today, on the other hand it will disadvantage shortsellers

if there was none, shortsellers are most happy

IMO, the circuit breaker will only slightly slow-down the sell-off, and will not make a difference in this case. Decline of 50%, will trigger the circuit breaker 5 times, and the delay are 25 minutes...

The proposed operation detail of the circuit breaker below

http://www.sgx.com/wps/wcm/connect/cp_en...r_Friendly
“夏则资皮,冬则资纱,旱则资船,水则资车” - 范蠡
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(26-08-2013, 04:57 PM)CityFarmer Wrote:
(26-08-2013, 04:20 PM)pianist Wrote: i wonder how will a circuit breaker (as recently proposed & announced by sgx) gg to help in this case today?

if there was one, long term shareholders will not suffer >40% drop today, on the other hand it will disadvantage shortsellers

if there was none, shortsellers are most happy

IMO, the circuit breaker will only slightly slow-down the sell-off, and will not make a difference in this case. Decline of 50%, will trigger the circuit breaker 5 times, and the delay are 25 minutes...

The proposed operation detail of the circuit breaker below

http://www.sgx.com/wps/wcm/connect/cp_en...r_Friendly

It will still make a difference, in this case, the counter will be halted after the 1st circuit breaker.....
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(26-08-2013, 05:18 PM)desmondxyz Wrote:
(26-08-2013, 04:57 PM)CityFarmer Wrote:
(26-08-2013, 04:20 PM)pianist Wrote: i wonder how will a circuit breaker (as recently proposed & announced by sgx) gg to help in this case today?

if there was one, long term shareholders will not suffer >40% drop today, on the other hand it will disadvantage shortsellers

if there was none, shortsellers are most happy

IMO, the circuit breaker will only slightly slow-down the sell-off, and will not make a difference in this case. Decline of 50%, will trigger the circuit breaker 5 times, and the delay are 25 minutes...

The proposed operation detail of the circuit breaker below

http://www.sgx.com/wps/wcm/connect/cp_en...r_Friendly

It will still make a difference, in this case, the counter will be halted after the 1st circuit breaker.....

The sgx link seemed not working in my previous post.

I put up a different link here, which explained the circuit breaking operation. The counter will not halt upon triggering of circuit breaker, it will only limit the trading within a 10% band. The band will move down for next 10% after 5 minutes interval, and so on...

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/busi...08220.html
“夏则资皮,冬则资纱,旱则资船,水则资车” - 范蠡
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Unless you are an insider , you will never really know the "truth" until it's public news. To me if i buy now (buying during adverse report or market's bad news) is a "Tikum, Tikum". Been there before. Got burned to the tune of $30-40K.
God Bless us All.
Shalom.
Still vested in some "S CHIPS" .
WB:-

1) Rule # 1, do not lose money.
2) Rule # 2, refer to # 1.
3) Not until you can manage your emotions, you can manage your money.

Truism of Investments.
A) Buying a security is buying RISK not Return
B) You can control RISK (to a certain level, hopefully only.) But definitely not the outcome of the Return.

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My signature is meant for psychoing myself. No offence to anyone. i am trying not to lose money unnecessary anymore.
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(26-08-2013, 02:28 PM)d.o.g. Wrote:
(26-08-2013, 01:58 PM)pianist Wrote: if i am not wrong, auditors are not held liable as they were merely providing an assurance service. based on IIA standards, auditors cannot even prevent fraud? is this true

Auditors are only paid to EXPRESS AN OPINION that the accounts are "true and fair". These opinions come with the usual disclaimers that they are reliant on documents as provided by management etc.

Auditors are not paid to CERTIFY that the accounts are "true and fair". Such certification puts the auditor at risk of a lawsuit if it turns out that the accounts are not "true and fair".

Many people assume that auditors do certify the accounts, when in fact they expressly do not. The only time auditors get into trouble is when they are grossly negligent e.g. ignoring obvious red flags, or when they are actively complicit e.g. Enron where Arthur Andersen helped to destroy evidence.

Which is to say, if the auditors decline to issue an unqualified opinion, there is definitely a problem with the accounts. But if the auditors issue an unqualified opinion, it doesn't mean there is nothing wrong, it just means the auditors didn't find anything that was of concern.

Frauds are usually uncovered by whistleblowers, whether disgruntled employees, customers or suppliers, who may or may not also be participants in the fraud. Auditors seldom uncover frauds, for the simple reason that the checks undertaken by auditors would suffice only to uncover the most basic/stupid frauds. Then again, many of the S-chips were/are what I consider "stupid frauds" and it still took the auditors ages (sometimes never) to figure out that something was amiss. So it looks like auditors do even less work than that.

(26-08-2013, 02:41 PM)safetyfirst Wrote: whose bread i eat, whose song i sing.

I dont really blame the auditors, in my own line of job, if i express my unbiased view all the time, i would end up offending many people and be out of job pretty soon.

Sometimes when i suggest what is the best course of action in my area of expertise, and my boss who obviously knows nothing in these areas, insist that i follow his instructions. I smile and i say "yes boss". Such is life. Haha when i earn enough to buy small pieces of good businesses, then i can kiss my boss goodbye. That was my thoughts when i was younger, now, i take great pleasure in gloating over silly views by my boss, afterall, it is to his disadvantage, not mine.

I always believe auditors should not be paid by the company. My suggestion is all listed companies pay a sum to a fund based on their market cap, and the fund appoints the auditors systematically for the SGX companies.

Where you get paid, that's where your incentive will be.
Before you speak, listen. Before you write, think. Before you spend, earn. Before you invest, investigate. Before you criticize, wait. Before you pray, forgive. Before you quit, try. Before you retire, save. Before you die, give. –William A. Ward

Think Asset-Business-Structure (ABS)
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From my understanding (correct me if i am wrong), auditors are just reporting whatever a company wants to reveal to them. And most companies are smart enough not to be stupid. So are the auditors too. So there, ARS are just for your own judgement, not auditors.
Not to be too discouraged, if banks can make NPLs, so can we make NPIs(non-performing-investments)? NO?
WB:-

1) Rule # 1, do not lose money.
2) Rule # 2, refer to # 1.
3) Not until you can manage your emotions, you can manage your money.

Truism of Investments.
A) Buying a security is buying RISK not Return
B) You can control RISK (to a certain level, hopefully only.) But definitely not the outcome of the Return.

NB:-
My signature is meant for psychoing myself. No offence to anyone. i am trying not to lose money unnecessary anymore.
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