Body in suitcase: Pakistani men were selling tissue paper here

[GPD]

My question is did they come into SG with a work permit to sell tissue?

In Singapore, this is how the employment market is like:

If you put an ad seeking for worker, any tourist is free to apply. We are one of the very very few countries in the world that allows any tourist to apply for jobs here. That is why all my contacts and friends who are in HR say that whenever they put up a job ad, foreigners will usually outnumber locals (PRs and Singaporeans).

Singaporeans need to know that for every job opening here, they are competing not only against fellow citizens, PRs, foreigner workers (S-pass or E-pass). They are also competing against any tourist who happens to be in Singapore and scouring the want ads.

We also issue work permits for PRCs to peddle sex here. So, it is not surprising for us to issue permits for South Asian men to sell tissue paper here. Forged credentials are also easy to obtain in South Asia, and it takes a long time before the relevant authorities can discover that they are fakes. Which by then, some of these South Asians would have already left.

I can understand issue work permits for PRCs to peddle sex here but a bit difficult to understand issue permits for South Asian men to sell tissue paper here. I mean you can buy tissue from supermarket but not sex. Sorry a bit crude here but you get what I mean.

I read from here (http://www.contactsingapore.sg/visas_and..._visitors/) that visitors on social pass are not allow to work here. So these men are selling tissue illegally if on social pass.

Are they being tricked into paying some crazy fee to come into SG with fake promises of having a job here and later got dump and left on their own? I am just raising some questions that came to mind.

[specuvestor]

My question is did they come into SG with a work permit to sell tissue?

In Singapore, this is how the employment market is like:

If you put an ad seeking for worker, any tourist is free to apply. We are one of the very very few countries in the world that allows any tourist to apply for jobs here. That is why all my contacts and friends who are in HR say that whenever they put up a job ad, foreigners will usually outnumber locals (PRs and Singaporeans).

Singaporeans need to know that for every job opening here, they are competing not only against fellow citizens, PRs, foreigner workers (S-pass or E-pass). They are also competing against any tourist who happens to be in Singapore and scouring the want ads.

We also issue work permits for PRCs to peddle sex here. So, it is not surprising for us to issue permits for South Asian men to sell tissue paper here. Forged credentials are also easy to obtain in South Asia, and it takes a long time before the relevant authorities can discover that they are fakes. Which by then, some of these South Asians would have already left.

May I know where do you get the info that tourists and visotor/ social pass can LEGALLY apply for jobs here?

[CityFarmer]

My question is did they come into SG with a work permit to sell tissue?

In Singapore, this is how the employment market is like:

If you put an ad seeking for worker, any tourist is free to apply. We are one of the very very few countries in the world that allows any tourist to apply for jobs here. That is why all my contacts and friends who are in HR say that whenever they put up a job ad, foreigners will usually outnumber locals (PRs and Singaporeans).

Singaporeans need to know that for every job opening here, they are competing not only against fellow citizens, PRs, foreigner workers (S-pass or E-pass). They are also competing against any tourist who happens to be in Singapore and scouring the want ads.

We also issue work permits for PRCs to peddle sex here. So, it is not surprising for us to issue permits for South Asian men to sell tissue paper here. Forged credentials are also easy to obtain in South Asia, and it takes a long time before the relevant authorities can discover that they are fakes. Which by then, some of these South Asians would have already left.

Tourists on social visit pass are not allowed to seek employment here. You statement seems baseless to accuse Singapore is doing it.

The same for the permit to sell tissue paper for South Asia men.

Please provide grounds for the statements, otherwise it will be removed, and warning will be issued.

Regards
Moderator

[investor101]

My question is did they come into SG with a work permit to sell tissue?

In Singapore, this is how the employment market is like:

If you put an ad seeking for worker, any tourist is free to apply. We are one of the very very few countries in the world that allows any tourist to apply for jobs here. That is why all my contacts and friends who are in HR say that whenever they put up a job ad, foreigners will usually outnumber locals (PRs and Singaporeans).

Singaporeans need to know that for every job opening here, they are competing not only against fellow citizens, PRs, foreigner workers (S-pass or E-pass). They are also competing against any tourist who happens to be in Singapore and scouring the want ads.

We also issue work permits for PRCs to peddle sex here. So, it is not surprising for us to issue permits for South Asian men to sell tissue paper here. Forged credentials are also easy to obtain in South Asia, and it takes a long time before the relevant authorities can discover that they are fakes. Which by then, some of these South Asians would have already left.

Tourists on social visit pass are not allowed to seek employment here. You statement seems baseless to accuse Singapore is doing it.

The same for the permit to sell tissue paper for South Asia men.

Please provide grounds for the statements, otherwise it will be removed, and warning will be issued.

Regards
Moderator

Tourists are allowed to seek employment here.

Here is an article from the Straits Times, dated 23 Dec 2013.

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-new...s-20131223

Mr Ramz came to Singapore in March as a tourist but his itinerary did not include visiting the Merlion, Universal Studios or Orchard Road.

Instead, the 29-year-old Filipino had only one goal: to find a job.

He would spend hours scouring employment websites every day, and often had only one meal a day to save money.

Finally, after about four months, he landed a job as a financial analyst at an offshore bank, drawing a monthly salary of $2,800.

- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-new...dlO7i.dpuf
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Here is another article dated 10 March 2014 from the Straits Times:
http://www.stjobs.sg/career-resources/jo...e/a/156408

ARELY a year ago, Ms Lisa Reta arrived in Singapore with only a suitcase in tow. She did not have a job, but she knew she wanted to be here, both to explore the region and to boost her career.

"Being in a regional hub, you get greater exposure than you would in Australia or New Zealand," the 29-year-old Kiwi said.

"There are more opportunities here to get involved in large-scale projects."

So she spent two months on a social visit pass speaking to recruiters and waiting for a contract, while moving from friends' rooms to a rental flat shared with other people.
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So far, the only job I know of that tourists cannot apply is to be maids.

Here is the source: Straits' Times 20 April 2013

http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-stor...s-20130420

FOREIGNERS found to have arrived in Singapore as tourists to look for work as domestic workers will have their work-permit applications rejected, the Ministry of Manpower (MOM) said.

In a statement to The Straits Times, it added that foreign maids already working here who are found to have entered Singapore as tourists will have their work permits revoked.

[pianist]

seems like there is some grounds

[specuvestor]

Now i see where u are coming from. The "tourists" applying the job needs the company to apply the WP/EP for them... they cant start work under social pass. But it is not a given as the govt needs to approve and issue the WP/EP. It is much harder now since MoM tightened the WP scheme and less permits.

Agree that since now WP can be attached to the person rather than the company, they should close this loophole

[cif5000]

My question is did they come into SG with a work permit to sell tissue?

In Singapore, this is how the employment market is like:

If you put an ad seeking for worker, any tourist is free to apply. We are one of the very very few countries in the world that allows any tourist to apply for jobs here. That is why all my contacts and friends who are in HR say that whenever they put up a job ad, foreigners will usually outnumber locals (PRs and Singaporeans).

Singaporeans need to know that for every job opening here, they are competing not only against fellow citizens, PRs, foreigner workers (S-pass or E-pass). They are also competing against any tourist who happens to be in Singapore and scouring the want ads.

We also issue work permits for PRCs to peddle sex here. So, it is not surprising for us to issue permits for South Asian men to sell tissue paper here. Forged credentials are also easy to obtain in South Asia, and it takes a long time before the relevant authorities can discover that they are fakes. Which by then, some of these South Asians would have already left.

Tourists on social visit pass are not allowed to seek employment here. You statement seems baseless to accuse Singapore is doing it.

The same for the permit to sell tissue paper for South Asia men.

Please provide grounds for the statements, otherwise it will be removed, and warning will be issued.

Regards
Moderator

Tourists are allowed to seek employment here.

Here is an article from the Straits Times, dated 23 Dec 2013.

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-new...s-20131223

Mr Ramz came to Singapore in March as a tourist but his itinerary did not include visiting the Merlion, Universal Studios or Orchard Road.

Instead, the 29-year-old Filipino had only one goal: to find a job.

He would spend hours scouring employment websites every day, and often had only one meal a day to save money.

Finally, after about four months, he landed a job as a financial analyst at an offshore bank, drawing a monthly salary of $2,800.

- See more at: http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-new...dlO7i.dpuf
=================================================

Here is another article dated 10 March 2014 from the Straits Times:
http://www.stjobs.sg/career-resources/jo...e/a/156408

ARELY a year ago, Ms Lisa Reta arrived in Singapore with only a suitcase in tow. She did not have a job, but she knew she wanted to be here, both to explore the region and to boost her career.

"Being in a regional hub, you get greater exposure than you would in Australia or New Zealand," the 29-year-old Kiwi said.

"There are more opportunities here to get involved in large-scale projects."

So she spent two months on a social visit pass speaking to recruiters and waiting for a contract, while moving from friends' rooms to a rental flat shared with other people.
====================================================

So far, the only job I know of that tourists cannot apply is to be maids.

Here is the source: Straits' Times 20 April 2013

http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-stor...s-20130420

FOREIGNERS found to have arrived in Singapore as tourists to look for work as domestic workers will have their work-permit applications rejected, the Ministry of Manpower (MOM) said.

In a statement to The Straits Times, it added that foreign maids already working here who are found to have entered Singapore as tourists will have their work permits revoked.

Learned something. Thanks.

[investor101]

From the development of the last few posts on this thread, I am surprised that a number of Singaporeans are still unaware that tourists can apply for jobs here, and that tourists can be direct competitors for jobs. I guess we all learnt something.

This is one reason why redundancies amongst Singaporeans in their late 30s and 40s are increasing, and why a growing number of Singaporeans are becoming taxi drivers while they still have about a good 15 years left in their PMET careers, if they were not made redundant.

Allowing any tourist to apply for S-Pass and E-Pass jobs allow the economy to keep its workforce perpetually young, but I wonder at what cost it is done for our own citizens?

There is probably no such work permit to sell tissue, any more than there work permits issued to foreigners to sell sex. Foreigners who sell sex are usually here on work permits to work as masseurs or public entertainers in pubs, KTV lounges, etc.

The Pakistanis probably are here on 1 month's social pass, during which they are free to do what they want, which includes regular job hunting like any other Singaporean jobseekers, selling sex, selling tissue, beg professionally, or whatever profession you can think of.

Take this as a wake up call. Your jobs are not secured. High chance of you being made redundant in your late 30s. It used to be from the 40s, now I think late 30s.
Source: http://www.tremeritus.com/2014/06/16/67-...old-above/

Better that you start early to invest and build up a viable source of alternative income to safeguard yourself.

[egghead]

Foreigners do not even need to be in Singapore to apply for a job. They just need to register themselves with recruitment agencies here, sign up on JobsDB, etc and when there is job posting, submit their applications. All done without stepping foot on Singapore.

[specuvestor]

Pls read my post carefully. Those who are working here on social pass ie tourist are not allowed to perform any form of work LEGALLY. Technically going for interview is not work. Way to close this loophole in future is probably to make sure those interviewees have WP attached. The loophole was due to the fact that WP was attached to the company so they can interview first and apply WP later

From the development of the last few posts on this thread, I am surprised that a number of Singaporeans are still unaware that tourists can apply for jobs here, and that tourists can be direct competitors for jobs. I guess we all learnt something.

This is one reason why redundancies amongst Singaporeans in their late 30s and 40s are increasing, and why a growing number of Singaporeans are becoming taxi drivers while they still have about a good 15 years left in their PMET careers, if they were not made redundant.

Allowing any tourist to apply for S-Pass and E-Pass jobs allow the economy to keep its workforce perpetually young, but I wonder at what cost it is done for our own citizens?

There is probably no such work permit to sell tissue, any more than there work permits issued to foreigners to sell sex. Foreigners who sell sex are usually here on work permits to work as masseurs or public entertainers in pubs, KTV lounges, etc.

The Pakistanis probably are here on 1 month's social pass, during which they are free to do what they want, which includes regular job hunting like any other Singaporean jobseekers, selling sex, selling tissue, beg professionally, or whatever profession you can think of.

Take this as a wake up call. Your jobs are not secured. High chance of you being made redundant in your late 30s. It used to be from the 40s, now I think late 30s.
Source: http://www.tremeritus.com/2014/06/16/67-...old-above/

Better that you start early to invest and build up a viable source of alternative income to safeguard yourself.