Malaysia Airlines hunt for missing plane

[CityFarmer]

My deepest condolence to their families. What a difficult 18 days... The days ahead will not be any easier too...

PM Najib announced the expert conclusion once received. May be to avoid be accused as non-disclosure of info.

[CityFarmer]

More info on the latest findings by experts. It seems the conclusion has been double-verified by independent experts.

19th century physics used to trace MH370

LONDON — Britain’s Inmarsat used a wave phenomenon discovered in the 19th century to analyse the seven pings its satellite picked up from Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 to determine its final destination.

The new findings led Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak to conclude yesterday (March 24) that the Boeing 777, which disappeared more than two weeks ago, crashed thousands of miles away in the southern Indian Ocean, killing all 239 people on board.

The pings, automatically transmitted every hour from the aircraft after the rest of its communications systems had stopped, indicated it continued flying for hours after it disappeared from its flight path from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

From the time the signals took to reach the satellite and the angle of elevation, Inmarsat was able to provide two arcs, one north and one south that the aircraft could have taken.

Inmarsat’s scientists then interrogated the faint pings using a technique based on the Doppler effect, which describes how a wave changes frequency relative to the movement of an observer, in this case the satellite, a spokesman said.

The Doppler effect is why the sound of a police car siren changes as it approaches and then overtakes an observer.

Britain’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch was also involved in the analysis.

“We then took the data we had from the aircraft and plotted it against the two tracks, and it came out as following the southern track,” Mr Jonathan Sinnatt, head of corporate communications at Inmarsat, said.

The company then compared its theoretical flight path with data received from Boeing 777’s to figure out if it had flown the same route, he said, and it matched exactly.

The findings were passed to another satellite company to check, he said, before being released to investigators yesterday.

The paucity of data — only faint pings received by a single satellite every hour or so — meant techniques like triangulation using a number of satellites or GPS (Global Positioning System) could not be used to determine the aircraft’s flight path.
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http://www.todayonline.com/world/asia/19...epage=true

[CityFarmer]

We need to understand that this is probably the last thing the families can do for their love one, regardless of the rationale ..

So far, Malaysia official done well for their patience and silence, under various "slams", and remained focus on the search jobs, IMO.

Chinese families clash with police, slam Malaysia over lost plane

BEIJING/KUALA LUMPUR — Dozens of angry relatives of passengers on a lost Malaysian jetliner clashed with police in Beijing today (March 25), accusing the South-east Asian country of “delays and deception” a day after it confirmed the plane crashed in remote seas off Australia.

About 20 to 30 protesters threw water bottles at the Malaysian embassy and tried to storm the building, demanding to meet the ambassador, witnesses said. Earlier, the relatives, many with tear-stained faces, had linked arms and chanted “Malaysian government has cheated us” and “Malaysia, return our relatives” as they marched peacefully and held banners.

The relatives’ grief and anger was unleashed last night after Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak announced that Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, which vanished more than two weeks ago while flying to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur, had crashed in the southern Indian Ocean.

Citing satellite-data analysis by British firm Inmarsat, he said there was now no doubt that the Boeing jet came down in the ocean in one of the most remote places on Earth — an implicit admission that all 239 people on board had died.
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http://www.todayonline.com/world/asia/mh...assy-china

[BlueKelah]

http://mh370shadow.com/

check out the link, this is the theory i currently believe

MH370 intercepting and following in SQ68 shadow all the way up to Turkmenistan where the taliban have control over.

Someone somewhere is trying to take revenge for Obama killing Osama. O My God ...

Ah .. you forget all Terrorists fight and die for their cause/struggle, if an act committed by them somebody will always claim responsibility for it.

nobody has to date stepped forward to claim any responsibility for this.

My hunch is equipment freak malfunction, they lost all communication and were flying blind didn't know where they were going could explain their zig zag flight path they just flew until they ran out of fuel.

Unlikely to be equipment malfunction as the communication stuff was turned of in a set pattern that is done on purpose. Also if the Immersat satellite really had the last position of contact, I would think this info would be easily available from the satellite and should have been provided when they said last week they had signal for hours after the plane lost contact by secondary radar. So have they actually withheld info until now? It is unlikely it takes a whole week to process the satellite data as every ping should have been picked up with a corresponding GPS location and Immersat knew that long time ago.

Manual landing is still possible if electronics really malfunction. Pilot did steer the plane to climb up then down. Given their SKILLZ they should have been able to easily land on water. If really steering malfuntion the plane would have continue to descend and crash into ocean when they did the descent over penang airspace.

So it all still seems very suspicious to me. It is also easier to say the plane is lost so Malaysian Airlines can start to claim insurance for lost plane and cargo. If in any case the plane was abducted and passengers survive, everyone will be too happy to know their relatives alive and won't bother to complain about Najib's announcement.

Obviously if terrorist took the plane, terrorist won't claim responsibility until they have loaded it with the appropriate nuclear/weapons and fly it to US or UK target.

Best case is pirates took the plane and dismantle it for spare parts to sell and will be releasing the passengers home soon.

[pianist]

I guess - alien / ufo has taken control over the plane and ditched it in the southern ocean

[greengiraffe]

Chinese people tend to be intensely individualistic, and many grow up with an inherent distrust of governments, due to the difficulty they have in gaining useful information from, and having dialogue with, their own largely unaccountable rulers. They readily blame their own government when they can, though this instinct is strongly constrained.

Desperate to find someone to blame over flight MH370


ROWAN CALLICK THE AUSTRALIAN MARCH 26, 2014 12:00AM

RELATIVES OF MISSING PLANE PASSENGERS CLASH WITH POLICE IN BEIJING

Dozens of angry relatives of passengers on the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner clashed with police outside the Malaysian embassy. Sarah Toms reports.

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THE world has been watching with a mix of empathy and amazement at the response of the relatives and friends of the 153 Chinese people who, it now appears certain, perished on flight MH370. It has been an education for those who believed that Chinese people were disciplined, quiescent and, well, stereotypically inscrutable.

When Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak announced sombrely overnight on Monday that “flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean”, this did not end the agony for the relatives and friends of the 239 people on board.

The families received text messages finally informing them of the plane’s fate, in English first and then later in Chinese — a process that only heightened the anger of the relatives and friends of the Chinese people who perished on the flight.

Yesterday afternoon, as the search for the plane — now a recovery effort — was suspended because of bad weather, hundreds of relatives in Beijing hired buses to the Malaysian embassy with a view to storming it. Police stopped the buses, but the protesters continued on foot, marching with banners: “The Malaysian government are executioners and murderers” and “We won’t give up until we see our family members”.

They did not get inside the embassy, but they were able to make their frenetic point.

They have been buffeted both by lack of information and by conflicting data, with hopes frequently raised then dashed, for most of the 18 days since the flight left Kuala Lumpur.

This explains in part their desperate response. But more is happening here.

Chinese people tend to be intensely individualistic, and many grow up with an inherent distrust of governments, due to the difficulty they have in gaining useful information from, and having dialogue with, their own largely unaccountable rulers. They readily blame their own government when they can, though this instinct is strongly constrained.

When, three years ago, two high-speed trains collided on a viaduct outside Wenzhou, killing 40 people, officials tried, literally, to cover up the disaster by immediately burying the train, until rescuers heard the sound of a baby inside, and saved it. The country’s “netizens” went wild with anger, but the “net police” soon closed down that discussion. The media were instructed to promote the theme “in the face of great tragedy, there’s great love”.

In the case of flight MH370, there are no constraints on the accusations. A foreign government is being blamed and people routinely expect governments to lie. When SARS hit China, some claimed the US government had introduced it as a biological weapon. American denials only fuelled the rumours.

Limits on access to information provide an environment in which conspiracy theories breed. In a land from which the consolations of religion were largely expunged under Mao Zedong before the recent resurgence of Christianity and Buddhism, death is naturally perceived as frighteningly final, its impact blurred only by residual superstitions. Doctors are routinely pushed to meet demands of miracle cures even when they have exhausted every rational avenue of treatment. The MH370 tragedy is exacerbated because of the one-child system. Many families have lost their only prospect of survival, they have lost their hope.

Yet Chinese people are at the same time impressively stoic in the face of natural disasters, as opposed to events such as MH370, in which human agency appears involved. The Sichuan earthquake of 2008, in which 87,000 died, brought out the best in the nation, with epic tales of cool heroism. No governments to blame there.

But in the case of MH370’s disappearance, an angry letter has been posted online by a grieving relatives’ support group in Beijing, accusing the Malaysian authorities of reacting too slowly.

“Since the flight lost contact 18 days ago, the airline, the government and the army of Malaysia continuously delayed, covered up, hid the truth and tried to deceive passengers and their families,” the letter says. “Such shameful and despicable behaviour not only cheated and destroyed our health and peace of mind, it prolonged the rescue effort and wasted a huge amount of time. If our beloved relatives have lost their lives because of this then the airline, the government and the military are the real murderers of our family.”

After their demonstration outside the Malaysian embassy, the grieving group were taken back to the Lido Hotel, where it was announced that Malaysian officials would brief them again.

Additional reporting: Scott Murdoch

[pianist]

the sudden Johor property cap at 1mio rm for foreign investors is a painful bear trap, however i can bet there will not be march/protest at the embassy in sg..:>

Singapore tourism will be affected as well as most Chinese tourists stop in sg for 1 day niah before going up north

Reuters

Tuesday, Mar 25, 2014


BEIJING - The controversy surrounding missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 has prompted many Chinese tourists, who once saw Malaysia as an attractive holiday destination, to look elsewhere, travel agents said on Tuesday.

Eleven Chinese travel agents told Reuters that bookings between China and Malaysia had fallen severely, and that many people have cancelled their trips, amid anger at the perceived lack of information provided by the Malaysian government to passengers' families.

"We used to have 30 to 40 customers a month for group tours to Singapore, Malaysia, and Thailand. Now there is no one asking about this route or booking," a travel agent surnamed Chen told Reuters by telephone.

"Tourists don't even consider going there. Many also have a negative impression of the country now," said Chen with Comfort Travel, in the southern city of Guangzhou, which focuses heavily on Southeast Asia tours.

In Beijing, angry relatives of Chinese passengers aboard the missing plane protested on Tuesday outside the Malaysian Embassy, demanding an explanation from the airline and accusing the government in Kuala Lumpur of "delays and deception".

Flight MH370, with 239 people on board, vanished from civilian radar screens less than an hour after take-off on March 8 on a routine flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Most of the passengers were Chinese.

"The Malaysian government deliberately delayed publicising real information about the flight. We should punish this completely irresponsible attitude and boycott Malaysian tourism," said a user of Sina Weibo, China's version of Twitter.

"Originally I was considering travelling in Malaysia this year, now I think their country is so disgusting," wrote another microblogger. "They lied to everyone for half a month."

The slowdown in Chinese travel could hurt Malaysia's goal of boosting tourism, though the impact on the economy may be limited. Chinese tourist arrivals account for about 12 per cent of Malaysia's total tourists and 0.4 per cent of the country's gross domestic product, Bank of America Merrill Lynch said in a note.

Malaysia has targeted 28 million tourists this year and 76 billion ringgit ($23 billion) in receipts.

Some Chinese travel agencies have cancelled group trips to Malaysia and stopped promoting cut-price tickets for fear of angering customers.

"The Malaysia Airlines incident involves national sentiment. If we go against the trend now, I'm afraid it will be provocative," said a travel agent surnamed Xu with another firm.

According to an online poll on Sina's news website, 77.5 per cent of more than 21,000 participants said the MH370 furore would influence their decision on travelling in Malaysia.

Malaysian Tourism Minister Nazri Aziz said on Monday that "Visit Malaysia Year" roadshows in China would be halted until the MH370 case is closed.

[CityFarmer]

Chinese people tend to be intensely individualistic, and many grow up with an inherent distrust of governments, due to the difficulty they have in gaining useful information from, and having dialogue with, their own largely unaccountable rulers. They readily blame their own government when they can, though this instinct is strongly constrained.

In general, I agree with you. The distrust isn't only on gov, but almost on everything NIH (not-invented-here).

[Temperament]

If you watch or read one of China's literal classic, "108 Heroes of The Marshland", how much of it is still true in modern China? How much of it was just fiction in the classic? But why people says "Truth is stranger than fiction"? Why was it about story in the "Sung Dynasty"?

[corydorus]

http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-new...aper-20140

Something tells me is no fairy tales. The early days of contra comments seems direct opposite from what we heard now.