Danger Of Using "Stop Loss"

Poll: Do you use stop loss?Auto or manual stop loss?
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Auto stop loss
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#81
(24-10-2013, 09:42 PM)Clement Wrote:
(24-10-2013, 09:33 PM)Temperament Wrote:
(24-10-2013, 08:16 PM)Jared Seah Wrote: Of course Clement.

The stop-loss point will be dependent on many other factors - depending on the vehicle chosen. It's never one size fits all.

The bid-offer spread is one reason why penny stocks are more "expensive" when it comes to transaction costs. But speculators love them as 1 to 2 bids already can make 3-5%!

20% is just for illustration since this is an investors forum. To recover from a 20% loss we just need a 25% win the next time round. Very achievable.

If using 50% margin of safety (is this realistic?), that means these value investors must be sitting on lots of 2 baggers now or as part of their track record. Their stop-loss point can be 50% to prevent a winning position from swinging to a loss Wink

Traders use other "stricter" rules like never risking 2% of our total portfolio value in a single position. Traders are less philosophical.

No chips; no honey.
So Stop Loss can be used to protect your gain too. In this case, this is call "Progressive Stop Loss".
When you want to sell, of course you want to sell at the highest price possible. That is provided the market doesn't suddenly crashes. i have said i use progressive limit price instead as i am very greedy.

It really depends on why you want to sell. If it is because you see a better opportunity or need cash, then wouldn't it be best to sell immediately? If it is because of lack of margin of safety, the a trailing stop works while you look into whether you were too pessimistic in your calculations.
Actually i should use progressive stop loss, that is i shift my selling stop loss price higher and higher as long as my stop loss price is not trigger and the market price is going higher and higher ( in a bullish market). But all this is monitored mentally by following the market quite closely on my computer. But i enter my selling price as limit order. Ha! Ha!
So today my limit sell order is not executed doesn't mean tomorrow the opening price can not be higher or close higher. i do this because i don't want to sell the lots at one go.

Basically i sell too early and buy too early too. But selling too early for me is O. K. as long as i have profited and realised capital to buy again in "appropriate time". For me there is always a better time to buy and always a better to sell. i am a "ROJAK INVESTOR". Ha! Ha!
WB:-

1) Rule # 1, do not lose money.
2) Rule # 2, refer to # 1.
3) Not until you can manage your emotions, you can manage your money.

Truism of Investments.
A) Buying a security is buying RISK not Return
B) You can control RISK (to a certain level, hopefully only.) But definitely not the outcome of the Return.

NB:-
My signature is meant for psychoing myself. No offence to anyone. i am trying not to lose money unnecessary anymore.
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#82
(24-10-2013, 10:49 PM)Temperament Wrote:
(24-10-2013, 09:42 PM)Clement Wrote:
(24-10-2013, 09:33 PM)Temperament Wrote:
(24-10-2013, 08:16 PM)Jared Seah Wrote: Of course Clement.

The stop-loss point will be dependent on many other factors - depending on the vehicle chosen. It's never one size fits all.

The bid-offer spread is one reason why penny stocks are more "expensive" when it comes to transaction costs. But speculators love them as 1 to 2 bids already can make 3-5%!

20% is just for illustration since this is an investors forum. To recover from a 20% loss we just need a 25% win the next time round. Very achievable.

If using 50% margin of safety (is this realistic?), that means these value investors must be sitting on lots of 2 baggers now or as part of their track record. Their stop-loss point can be 50% to prevent a winning position from swinging to a loss Wink

Traders use other "stricter" rules like never risking 2% of our total portfolio value in a single position. Traders are less philosophical.

No chips; no honey.
So Stop Loss can be used to protect your gain too. In this case, this is call "Progressive Stop Loss".
When you want to sell, of course you want to sell at the highest price possible. That is provided the market doesn't suddenly crashes. i have said i use progressive limit price instead as i am very greedy.

It really depends on why you want to sell. If it is because you see a better opportunity or need cash, then wouldn't it be best to sell immediately? If it is because of lack of margin of safety, the a trailing stop works while you look into whether you were too pessimistic in your calculations.
Actually i should use progressive stop loss, that is i shift my selling stop loss price higher and higher as long as my stop loss price is not trigger and the market price is going higher and higher ( in a bullish market). But all this is monitored mentally by following the market quite closely on my computer. But i enter my selling price as limit order. Ha! Ha!
So today my limit sell order is not executed doesn't mean tomorrow the opening price can not be higher or close higher. i do this because i don't want to sell the lots at one go.

Basically i sell too early and buy too early too. But selling too early for me is O. K. as long as i have profited and realised capital to buy again in "appropriate time". For me there is always a better time to buy and always a better to sell. i am a "ROJAK INVESTOR". Ha! Ha!

That is close to what I do when an investment has reached my estimated target and I haven't found a replacement for it. I leave it in the portfolio with a very tight trailing stop loss while I search for other opportunities. If I find one, I tend to sell all at once and buy the new investment, if not then the trailing stop loss will eventually trigger and return me cash.
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#83
which broker provide a good stop loss?
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#84
What is your cut loss plan? Do you cut loss?

What if the stock loses its value? Regardless trader or investor, Shouldnt there be any cut loss plan?

If you buy a super fundamentally strong stock, it can still go down.
Buy at $1, it can drop to 0.9, then 0.8. Then maybe even to 0.3.

Here is the mathematical proof to show the importance of cutting loss
Consider you losing 10% of value of your stock. How much percentage gain you need just to break even? The ans is 11.11%.
As you cut loss further and further, the amount of percentage gain increases EXPONENTIALLY.

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#85
There was an existing thread discussed stop loss, I merged the two thread.

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#86
i do not think stop loss is dangerous.
infact, i think its even more dangerous not to use stop loss!
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#87
(23-12-2013, 12:22 AM)wahkao Wrote: which broker provide a good stop loss?

Phillip Securities' CFD trading platform provides contingent orders as well as limit stop and trailing stop orders for those who trade through CFDs or CFD DMAs.

http://www.phillipcfd.com/cfd-trading-pl...cfdtrader/
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#88
(17-01-2014, 12:31 AM)Tiggerbee Wrote:
(23-12-2013, 12:22 AM)wahkao Wrote: which broker provide a good stop loss?

Phillip Securities' CFD trading platform provides contingent orders as well as limit stop and trailing stop orders for those who trade through CFDs or CFD DMAs.

http://www.phillipcfd.com/cfd-trading-pl...cfdtrader/

is there stop loss WITHOUT CFD or market marker?
Also, I believe CFD has restrictions. Not all stocks provide stop loss.
The worse part is, CFD is very very very expensive. Not worth the price Confused
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#89
The danger of not using a stop loss shown here

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#90
What is the position sizing & stop loss % u guys using when doing a trailing stop loss strategy?
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