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Sarine Technologies
23-11-2017, 07:09 PM,
Post: #151
RE: Sarine Technologies
the consumption of diamonds as jewelry is held up by a kind of illusion of worth. so my concern/interest is how that illusion shifts over time. lab diamonds are structurally and chemically the same as natural diamonds, but marketed as ethical/environmental/green. otoh, there's the 'diamonds are forever' mirage that's been strong thru the decades. the diamond you buy would represent the cause you stand for, at least in a some small way.

my 2c

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24-11-2017, 08:19 AM,
Post: #152
RE: Sarine Technologies
I’m no expert in this but are women able to differentiate between lab and natural diamonds? That to me is the proof of the pudding
Before you speak, listen. Before you write, think. Before you spend, earn. Before you invest, investigate. Before you criticize, wait. Before you pray, forgive. Before you quit, try. Before you retire, save. Before you die, give. –William A. Ward

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24-11-2017, 08:26 AM,
Post: #153
RE: Sarine Technologies
The difference between lab grown and natural diamonds is very hard to be distinguished unless a machine is used.

However mainstream jewellers have not started making jewellery with lab grown diamonds yet. In fact, lab grown diamonds cost only about half the price of those mined. IMO, Sarine products will not be affected by a shift to lab grown diamonds etc. Their main business after all is identification and processing of any diamonds. In fact the more diamonds are needed for identification, the more the potential demand there is for Sarine technology

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24-11-2017, 09:10 AM, (This post was last modified: 24-11-2017, 09:16 AM by bardsmanship.)
Post: #154
RE: Sarine Technologies
(24-11-2017, 08:26 AM)CY09 Wrote: The difference between lab grown and natural diamonds is very hard to be distinguished unless a machine is used.

However mainstream jewellers have not started making jewellery with lab grown diamonds yet. In fact, lab grown diamonds cost only about half the price of those mined. IMO, Sarine products will not be affected by a shift to lab grown diamonds etc. Their main business after all is identification and processing of any diamonds. In fact the more diamonds are needed for identification, the more the potential demand there is for Sarine technology

Yep, it's probably impossible to expect regular women off the street to be able to tell whether a diamond is natural or lab-grown just by looking at it. There are many companies who have developed / are developing machines that can detect lab-grown stones however.

There is also an easier way to tell if a diamond is natural or lab-grown, and that is to see if it has a reputable grading certificate, e.g. one from the GIA or AGS. These grading labs don't grade lab-grown stones in the same way they grade natural stones, and the reports they produce for lab-grown stones state very clearly that the stone in question is "synthetic".

I wouldn't be so quick to conclude that Sarine's business won't be affected by a shift to lab-grown diamonds though. This is because 55% of their revenue is still from inclusion mapping products. There is a need for inclusion mapping of natural rough because the supply of natural rough is limited and the midstream's profitability is low, so it makes sense for them to use Sarine's inclusion mapping systems to maximize the utilization of the rough stones they purchase.

Lab-grown diamonds on the other hand can be produced in unlimited amounts, and so the technology gets good enough to produce stones of high clarity, there will be no need for inclusion mapping. So if, and this is a big if, lab-grown diamonds become a substitute for natural diamonds Sarine's business will definitely take a beating.

Not to toot my own horn, but I've thought about Sarine's business for a while and wrote about my thinking in more detail if anyone's interested: https://fundamentalsmatter.wordpress.com...onal-woes/

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24-11-2017, 10:02 AM,
Post: #155
RE: Sarine Technologies
personally, it's not so much whether lab can be distinguished from natural or not, but will the fact that it's from a lab diminish its deemed worth? objectively it shouldn't, but just imagine the scene where someone who just got an engagement ring surrounded by admiring (kaypo) friends and relatives. the questions "how many C's? real or not?" are quite likely to arise. how you feel and how they feel when you ans the qn is tricky. at that point, it's probably no place to start educating the uninitiated about how lab/natural diamonds are chemically the same etc.

point being, these thoughts will go into the purchase process, not just by the receiver but also the purchaser. so i think the misconception of lab = fake is quite a strong defence for natural diamonds, so far.

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24-11-2017, 11:23 AM,
Post: #156
RE: Sarine Technologies
I think most mass market customers will look at 1 C - carat...

>0.5C - PASSED...
"... but quitting while you're ahead is not the same as quitting." - Quote from the movie American Gangster

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24-11-2017, 11:47 AM, (This post was last modified: 24-11-2017, 12:08 PM by specuvestor.)
Post: #157
RE: Sarine Technologies
What is the purpose of diamonds? Vanity. Same with branded bags.

Fake diamonds in the past is too obvious. So were fake bags. Now not so obvious. That's why affluents going much higher end to Hermes because you can't really tell a Prada from fake anymore but you can sort of tell if the person can afford Hermes Smile Tai-tais are not going to ask for diamond grading certificates Smile

That's the world of vanity they operate in. So if lab diamonds and real diamonds cannot be distinguishable, my guess is that it will have huge impact on diamond industry, provided the lab diamonds are able to break in. Sometimes it's mere politics, not quality. If lab diamonds manage to get a foothold in the market, I would say it WILL impact Sarine.

And we all know what is the value of diamonds in secondary market because of De Beers.
Before you speak, listen. Before you write, think. Before you spend, earn. Before you invest, investigate. Before you criticize, wait. Before you pray, forgive. Before you quit, try. Before you retire, save. Before you die, give. –William A. Ward

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28-11-2017, 01:13 PM,
Post: #158
RE: Sarine Technologies
To me Sarine is a classical example of "Too Hard", their success hinges on many external factors that are not within their control (changing consumer tastes, De Beers etc). I would avoid it personally.

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