All the Best Investors Have This...Do You?

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All the Best Investors Have This...Do You?
By Eurosharelab

A lot of my success in investing has been attributable to studying other successful investors and learning from them.

My investment process started from nothing, moved to technical analysis, which was not successful. Then onto the use of brokers for ideas, which was even less successful.

My returns improved substantially when it dawned on me to study other successful investors. I started reading David Dreman, Benjamin Graham, Warren Buffett, Peter Lynch, John Neff, Joel Greenblatt and numerous others.

From their returns I knew they were successful, but I could not quite put my finger on what exactly made them successful.

Eventually, I realised their success had a lot less to do with what they were reading or even what they were investing in; it had to do with a successful investment decision-making process they had developed and the fact that they stuck to the process through thick and thin.

But what is a successful investment decision-making process?

The best research I could find on the subject was from an article called Decision-Making for investors written by Michael Mauboussin, strategist at Legg Mason Funds Management.

The whole article is definitely worth reading. but Michael’s basic point is this:

“Investing is a probabilistic activity like gambling, betting at card games and horse racing, and if you look at who is consistently successful, over long periods of time, and learn from them, you substantially increase your chances of success.“

What he found was that the best performers in all probabilistic activities tend to have a similar approach, which consists of the following:

A focus on the process rather than the outcome
A constant search for favourable odds
An understanding of the role of time
Focus on process rather than outcome

Successful investors have to focus on process because, as in all probabilistic activities, good decisions will periodically result in bad outcomes, even if the probability of a good outcome was a lot higher than that of a bad outcome.

Think of you rolling a dice with one black side and the rest red. Your chance of getting red is high, 83% (5/6), but you may also get black with only a 17% chance.

If your investing process is good (with a high probability of success), good outcomes will be deserved and bad outcomes will be bad luck.

If this disappoints you, think of the alternative...

You have a bad investment process (with a low probability of success), where good outcomes are due to blind luck and bad outcomes will be what you deserve.

Always look for favourable odds

In all probabilistic activities like gambling, investing, batting in baseball or cricket, opportunities come in the form of probabilities.

Relatively few of these opportunities, be it the cards you received or the company you have researched, have favourable odds of a successful outcome.

If you thus only invest or bet when the probability of success is in your favour, you substantially increase your chances of a favourable outcome.

How do you find companies with attractive odds to invest in?

Luckily a lot of academics and investors have done most of the work for you already, in studies that have determined what has worked in the past.

A good source I have found is a document by the fund manager Tweedy Brown called What has worked in investing (updated in 2009).

The document lays out numerous investment strategies and then lists studies that have tested their returns over long periods of time.

Examples of the strategies tested are:

Low price-to-book strategies
Low price-to-earnings strategies
Significant insider purchases
A significant decline in the stock price
Small market value companies
The document also shows the returns achieved with an investment strategy defined by Benjamin Graham.

The strategy requires the following:

1. An earnings yield of more than two times the AAA bond yield

2. Total debt (current liabilities plus long-term debt) less than equity

3. Hold for two years or a 50% gain, whatever comes first

In the six-year period from 1974 to 1980 the strategy generated an average return of 38% per year versus a 14% per year return of the S&P 500 index (including dividends).

Another example would be the Magic Formula as explained in the book The Little Book That Still Beats the Market by Joel Greenblatt.

In the 10 year period from October 1, 1999 to September 30, 2009 the Magic Formula generated a total return of 288.9% versus a -1.5% return of the S&P 500 index.

The importance of time

The key to winning at probabilistic activities is to stick to it over long periods of time.

Even if you have a larger than 80% chance of winning, it does not mean that you will win every time. But if you keep at it, playing only when you have a greater than 80% chance of winning, it is a near certainty that you will win over the long term.

If you make the right decisions for the right reasons enough times, the results will take care of themselves in the long run.

Unfortunately, this is also where the biggest risk lies -- that you will abandon your proven strategy at the first sign that it is under-performing.

With the increasingly short-term view of investors focused on monthly and quarterly returns, very few investors or fund managers take the time to develop and stick to an investment process that leads to positive long-term results.

This can be seen in the increased turnover of mutual fund portfolios from 20% in the 1960s, to over 110% today.

Though his Magic Formula has produced outstanding historical returns, Joel Greenblatt is not worried it will be so widely adopted that its returns will be eroded. Because the formula does not always work – and sometimes experiences periods of three to four years of market under-performance – Greenblatt feels this will lead most investors to abandon the strategy.

This creates a huge opportunity for you if you invest for the long term.

Investors with a proven investment strategy and a long-term focus have a huge advantage over short-term traders and quarterly performance orientated fund managers.

In summary, what should you do?

Identify and study investment strategies that have generated outstanding long-term market out-performance
Choose one that fits with your investment style and draw up an investment process of how you will identify, analyse, buy and sell investments
Implement the process and stick to it through thick and thin
Also carefully document your investment process.

Do this not only to review and update it from time to time, but more importantly to read it at times when you are frustrated and close to the point of abandoning your strategy.

The document should serve as a reminder of why you chose the strategy and motivate you to stick with it.

If your investment strategy is based on sound research and you stick to it over the long-term, you cannot have anything else but superior investment results.
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#2
very enlightening article!

Just a summary and my 2cts.

0. Investing is a probabilistic activity like gambling.
So better diversify to reduce the risk of losing capital on a particular company.

1. A focus on the process rather than the outcome.
this requires a lot of patience and disciplines.

2. A constant search for favourable odds.

this requires a lot of reading, self-teaching and independent thinking.

3. An understanding of the role of time.
when an intelligent investor can follow the above 3 points, his investment will certainly grow with time.
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FFNow,

Great article! Thx for sharing.



(18-08-2012, 11:14 PM)zf87 Wrote: 0. Investing is a probabilistic activity like gambling.
So better diversify to reduce the risk of losing capital on a particular company.

My interpretation is different.
To me, it means - Invest only when the odds are in your favour (that's what card counters are also trying to achieve at the Black Jack tables). Also, the better the odds, the bigger the bets (investments).


Quote:1. A focus on the process rather than the outcome.
this requires a lot of patience and disciplines.

Yup! Have to continuously tweak the process, observe the outcome, tweak,..observe,..


Quote:3. An understanding of the role of time.
when an intelligent investor can follow the above 3 points, his investment will certainly grow with time.

Yes, but also to understand that the odds may vary with time...Tongue



Quote:The document also shows the returns achieved with an investment strategy defined by Benjamin Graham.

The strategy requires the following:

1. An earnings yield of more than two times the AAA bond yield


Am in the midst of reading 'The Triumph of Value Investing' by Janet Lowe. From Chapter 9, Pg 131-2, extracts,

Graham's List - 10 Attributes of Undervalued Shares

1. An earnings-to-price yield (reverse of P/E ratio) that is double the AAA bond yield. If the AAA bond yield is 4%, the earnings yield should be 8%.

2. A P/E ratio that is four-tenths of the highest average P/E ratio achieved by the shares in the most recent years.

3. A dividend yield of two-thirds the AAA bond yields.

4. A share price of two-thirds the tangible book value per share. In inflationary times, this item should be given extra weight.

5. A stock with two-thirds the net current asset value or the net quick liquidation value. This was among the earliest techniques Graham used. It is the worst case scenario, estimating the amount a company would sell for if it had to immediately go out of business.

6. Total debts that is lower than the tangible book value.

7. A current ratio of two or more. This is a measure of liquidity, or a company's ability to pay its debts from its income.

8. Total debt of no more than the net quick liquidation value.

9. Earnings that have doubled in the most recent ten years. Equities that either don't pay a dividend or are not currently profitable will be automatically eliminated.

10. Earnings that have declined no more than 5% in two of the past ten years.
Luck & Fortune Favours those who are Prepared & Decisive when Opportunity Knocks
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A constant search for favourable odds
An understanding of the role of time
Focus on process rather than outcome

If you have done all that above and then some, my personal's belief is you still needs LADY's LUCK or GOD's BLESSINGS; depending on what you believe. No matter what is your personal's belief is, i have had caught by surprises many times in my investments. There have been good and the bad surprises. How many of you dare to say you never caught by surprises in your investments if you have invested long enough (i mean more than ten years or so).
WB:-

1) Rule # 1, do not lose money.
2) Rule # 2, refer to # 1.
3) Not until you can manage your emotions, you can manage your money.

Truism of Investments.
A) Buying a security is buying RISK not Return
B) You can control RISK (to a certain level, hopefully only.) But definitely not the outcome of the Return.

NB:-
My signature is meant for psychoing myself. No offence to anyone. i am trying not to lose money unnecessary anymore.
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(19-08-2012, 11:44 AM)Temperament Wrote: A constant search for favourable odds
An understanding of the role of time
Focus on process rather than outcome

If you have done all that above and then some, my personal's belief is you still needs LADY's LUCK or GOD's BLESSINGS; depending on what you believe. No matter what is your personal's belief is, i have had caught by surprises many times in my investments. There have been good and the bad surprises. How many of you dare to say you never caught by surprises in your investments if you have invested long enough (i mean more than ten years or so).

Yes, I find this true in all aspects of life, including investing. You need to plan, work hard, persevere until (and if) that moment of opportunity (or luck) presents itself. If you did not do all this prep work, then you would not have exploited the chance. Unfortunately, some work hard and prep but the opportunity never comes. Such is life.
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(19-08-2012, 12:06 PM)Muck Wrote:
(19-08-2012, 11:44 AM)Temperament Wrote: A constant search for favourable odds
An understanding of the role of time
Focus on process rather than outcome

If you have done all that above and then some, my personal's belief is you still needs LADY's LUCK or GOD's BLESSINGS; depending on what you believe. No matter what is your personal's belief is, i have had caught by surprises many times in my investments. There have been good and the bad surprises. How many of you dare to say you never caught by surprises in your investments if you have invested long enough (i mean more than ten years or so).

Yes, I find this true in all aspects of life, including investing. You need to plan, work hard, persevere until (and if) that moment of opportunity (or luck) presents itself. If you did not do all this prep work, then you would not have exploited the chance. Unfortunately, some work hard and prep but the opportunity never comes. Such is life.

All the hard work and preparations increase the probability of being... LUCKY. If you don't do anything, you'd be left wondering why you're always so...UNLUCKY! Cool

But, yes, increasing the chances of being lucky doesn't mean it's a 100% thing. Up to a certain point (after allowing a reasonable amount of time), we'd have to make the difficult decision that LUCK is not going to come soon (or ever) and especially if there're always other alternatives, then it's time to move on...Tongue
Luck & Fortune Favours those who are Prepared & Decisive when Opportunity Knocks
------------ 知己知彼 ,百战不殆 ;不知彼 ,不知己 ,每战必殆 ------------
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(19-08-2012, 12:06 PM)Muck Wrote:
(19-08-2012, 11:44 AM)Temperament Wrote: A constant search for favourable odds
An understanding of the role of time
Focus on process rather than outcome

If you have done all that above and then some, my personal's belief is you still needs LADY's LUCK or GOD's BLESSINGS; depending on what you believe. No matter what is your personal's belief, i have been caught by surprises many times in my investments. There have been good and the bad surprises. How many of you dare to say you never have been caught by surprises in your investments if you have been investing long enough (i mean more than ten years or so).

Yes, I find this true in all aspects of life, including investing. You need to plan, work hard, persevere until (and if) that moment of opportunity (or luck) presents itself. If you did not do all this prep work, then you would not have exploited the chance. Unfortunately, some work hard and prep but the opportunity never comes. Such is life.
"Unfortunately, some work hard and prep but the opportunity never comes. Such is life."

Unquote:
It may be true in some aspects of life.
In investing in the stock markets it is not true; unless there are no more stock markets in the world.
There always will be a time of BEAR/BULL-Cycle opportunity for you to take "advantage" off.
i have been trying all these years, so much so i have become a "ROJAK INVESTOR" as many of you who have been posting or reading in this forum will know. Big Grin
WB:-

1) Rule # 1, do not lose money.
2) Rule # 2, refer to # 1.
3) Not until you can manage your emotions, you can manage your money.

Truism of Investments.
A) Buying a security is buying RISK not Return
B) You can control RISK (to a certain level, hopefully only.) But definitely not the outcome of the Return.

NB:-
My signature is meant for psychoing myself. No offence to anyone. i am trying not to lose money unnecessary anymore.
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