14-01-2011, 08:39 AM
(This post was last modified: 14-01-2011, 08:43 AM by mrEngineer.)
(14-01-2011, 12:21 AM)redcorolla95 Wrote: This is a great business.
If they and their funds never bought anything else for the rest of their existence, we have a 2.6% dividend yield + annual growth in rent of about 3-5% or inflation. Over a long enough period, assuming Singapore & HK are ok property markets, growth in rent should at least equal inflation, so this is definitely better than bonds - esp the recent ones out at retail investors.
They generally grow by adding new assets. So either their funds by more buildings e.g. Suntec Reit buys a chunk of MBFC, or they start a new fund like Cache. So since most property in Sg, HK, Msia, China isn't already in a REIT, they're quite far from their growth limits. ROE is high because ARA is not spending very much capex to add a new building - the funds spend the capex, and then ARA even charges fees for doing the work to add new buildings.
So returns = inflation + 2.6% (current dividend yield) + (assets they keep adding - as 2010 has been a year when they grew very nicely).
There are 2 issues: 1. when property prices fall, but then they're not on the hook for rights issues refinancings the REIT holders are - since fees are based on assets not net-assets. 2. when they have to invest some of their own money into their funds, so it's very unlikely that their funds can give them 35% returns.
PB is not really relevant for valuing such a company.
http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/New...inants.htm has a mathematical derivation, but the point is that when ROE is much higher than the cost of equity, the expected book value is much higher than 1. You can examine Buffet's largest positions e.g. Coke, P&G etc - the book value is far above 1.
IMO, PB should be relevant in valuing for almost all companies. And of course you do not take BV that is based solely on the NAV obtained from B/S but rather the RNAV and perhaps some additional value for the intangibles that are not measurable by accounting practices.
But P/B just tells you how much you are paying for the company in terms of the size. So P/B of 7 means you expect to pay 7 times for a company of its current asset and intangibles worth. To assess whether is it worthwhile to pay for the size of the asset u are purchasing, one has to use ROE to determine how many years before the current asset can compound to reach the amount you pay for.
Compounded growth for asset can be easily calculated based on earnings history but compound growth for intangibles may not be so obvious or one can simply treat that value as a premium add onto whatever asset value has grown into.
Agree on your point on high ROE would naturally lead to higher P/B due to lower cost of equity. If you look at ARA price history, the lowest price it went to was 24 cents almost equivalent to P/B of 1 only and not lower. But the question is how long can the high ROE sustain?
In the case of ARA, compounding growth at 35% (also ROE) at asset level would mean they have to continously grow its earnings more than 35% each year for 4-5 years. My most optimistic estimate would be at most 2 more years and they have to stagnate. The reasons are because there are no other developments from Cheung Kong that they can tap onto locally (other than MBFC 2) and they have to develop other source of business trusts themselves where some point they will hit law of diminishing returns from the size and no. of CEOs to manage.
Therefore, at my selling price, I have determined that I would not expect to see further intrinsic upside and could not exactly measure over-exuberance to a certain extent which lead to my decision to sell. Securing profits also mean some certainty to myself and possiblities to tap onto other opportunities evaluated before my sell decision.
Correct me if I am wrong, I am learning from this experience as well.