Riots in Little India

(11-12-2013, 08:19 PM)CityFarmer Wrote: I would like to clarify that the topic been closed is the one related to the topic of "men-in-blue run away from the riot", which was shown in a youtube clip.

In that case, posting a different clip should be allowed. Thank you.

Notice these London police were well equipped. When outnumbered by mob, run or retreat. To continue confronting them without the numbers will only cause the tension to escalate. The purpose afterall is to quell the riot to maintain peace, not fight

(12-12-2013, 12:08 AM)touzi Wrote:

(11-12-2013, 08:19 PM)CityFarmer Wrote: I would like to clarify that the topic been closed is the one related to the topic of "men-in-blue run away from the riot", which was shown in a youtube clip.

In that case, posting a different clip should be allowed. Thank you.

Notice these London police were well equipped. When outnumbered by mob, run or retreat. To continue confronting them without the numbers will only cause the tension to escalate. The purpose afterall is to quell the riot to maintain peace, not fight

Most police officers in the UK do not carry firearms, and therefore have limited options to defuse such a situation. The police here can fire warning shots, for example, which was not available as an option to the officers responding to the riots in London.

Having said that, I think overall our law enforcement officers handled the situation rather well. The rioters on Sunday were not engaging in widespread looting or torching buildings like those in the London riots. If they had been engaging in those activities, I'm sure the police response would have been different.

Quote:-

Quote:"Whether your effort is right or just false assumption, I would applaud you whichever way. Nothing to celebrate, nothing to defend unless one just takes everything written here as a "battle". Either win to reinforce your own belief or lose and enforce your own belief. Whichever way, life would still go on as normal. No trumpet, no booing. I would also accept whatever the conclusion is after (emphasis added) investigation is completed."

Unquote:
i think it's not a matter of win or lose or to show how clever we are.
When we, Singaporeans witnessed the PRC Bus Strike and now India nationals RIOT in LITTLE INDIA, we simply know they are very different from us.

May i bring out here even our MM said 山 高皇帝远 mentality of the PRC CHINESE regarding the SOO CHOW Park Agreement.
i think it applies to the India Nationals here in Singapore too.
With this type of 山 高皇帝远 mentality of these PRC CHINESE & India Nationals FWs, do you agree Singaporeans are duly worried about Singapore future?
If we don't voice out our worries now after the India National Riot then when?
When Singapore lost it's identity to FWs & FTs, completely?
Then it's too late baby now, it's too late to worry. It's over. (As the lyrics in a song says).

NB:
It's a matter of our livelihood now and our future; Our children's future. We can not wait until the next GE. We have to voice out every now and then when detrimental events occur in Singapore to our G. So that hopefully our G can fine tune the country's policies for the benefit of all Singaporeans and not the "Elites" only.

for a million dollar:
1. what's the improvement and suggestions that our G and SPF can do to make our *Indian national* more comfortable/happy working in Singapore?
(of course, it's ok to list down those +ve action already taken just to double confirmed that G/SPF is doing the right things)

and even more important.... of course PR law...
2. what can you suggest to make our PR more happy living in Singapore?

and Last but not least (Singaporean law....)
3. what can you suggest to the G/SPF to make our live better?

The morale of the story is simply channeling our energy to suggest some actionable items to make our life better.

any +ve feedback a will generate a +ve vibes that LHL will appreciate.




A Life not Reflected is a Life not Worth Living.

Hi, arthur

Good to see your post providing your thoughts. As a Singaporean, I am also open to hearing from fellow country men. Here, I would like to ask you what do you mean when you ask the following question while starting this thread with the video?

(08-12-2013, 11:58 PM)arthur Wrote: What are the famed Gurkhas riot police for? Protecting interests of the dynastic family or securing the safety of Singaporeans?

Whereas in your latest post you said:

(11-12-2013, 06:15 PM)arthur Wrote: As the threadstarter, I felt I should not add anything but let the community see and read for themselves what are the common views.

When I say I'm a Singaporean, I never feel the need to highlight that I have served my NS and reservice. Because that is my obligation to my country and it is something I do it willingly and whole heartedly. It does not matter a bit to me that there are fellow true blue Singaporean who "keng" and got exemption, etc; and neither does it bother me that some second generation PRs quit Singapore before they turn 18. I have seen enough second generation PRs who serve NS to be satisfied.

(11-12-2013, 06:15 PM)arthur Wrote: The well off, educated ones will simply move off leaving the weaker ones behind.

Why do you assume the above? The way you worded, you come across as being quite certain.

(11-12-2013, 06:15 PM)arthur Wrote: I expect there would be some smart alecky remarks soon.

I don't mind to satisfy your prediction and be the person to respond to your post. If this were TRE or TOC, I would have been given worse label than "smart aleck". I just want to say that when we start labeling people, we risk dividing, not pulling people together for common good.

Thank you.

One example of "jump into conclusion", based on preliminary info received without further confirmation? At least we knew that the previous reports weren't the truth.

India’s Sun TV apologises for erroneous report on Little India riot

SINGAPORE — Indian news channel Sun TV has apologised for an erroneous report on the Little India riot on Sunday and broadcast the “correct” version, following complaints.

The Tamil-language report was carried in the channel’s 7pm prime time bulletin on Tuesday, which is broadcast in Singapore at 9.30pm, said Mr R Umashankar, Editor In Charge of Sun TV’s News Section, in a letter sent to Mr Roy Kho, Singapore’s Consul-General in Chennai. A copy of the letter was released by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) yesterday.

The first report on the riot, aired on Monday, had created a stir among Singaporeans who saw the broadcast. Sun TV’s report had said Indian national Sakthivel Kumaravelu — the victim of the fatal accident that preceded the riot — had been pushed out of the private bus by the driver and that Singaporeans and Chinese had attacked Indian national Tamils, leading them to hide in their homes for fear of further attacks and harassment by the police.

This prompted a sharp response from the MFA the next day, with Singapore’s High Commissioner to India sending a letter to Sun TV network, saying it has reported three “entirely false” points, which was “irresponsible and brings to question its journalistic integrity”. He refuted the points made and asked for an immediate correction online and on air.

In his letter yesterday, Mr Umashankar said: “As Editor In Charge of the News Section of Sun TV, I take up the responsibility for the incorrect news and I sincerely apologise for what has happened.

“I would like to put it on record that there was absolutely no intention on our part to do anything that will spoil the centuries-old cordial and friendly relationship among various communities living in Singapore.”

He also added that the second report was given the “same prominence and duration” as the first report.
http://www.todayonline.com/singapore/ind...india-riot

(12-12-2013, 05:35 AM)Temperament Wrote: Quote:-

Quote:"Whether your effort is right or just false assumption, I would applaud you whichever way. Nothing to celebrate, nothing to defend unless one just takes everything written here as a "battle". Either win to reinforce your own belief or lose and enforce your own belief. Whichever way, life would still go on as normal. No trumpet, no booing. I would also accept whatever the conclusion is after (emphasis added) investigation is completed."

Unquote:
i think it's not a matter of win or lose or to show how clever we are.
When we, Singaporeans witnessed the PRC Bus Strike and now India nationals RIOT in LITTLE INDIA, we simply know they are very different from us.

>> I don't really see any difference between them and us. We are all humans. How would you like if you are judged to be different in in another country? Yes, there are people who are racist, discriminating but I don't think we should be like them.

May i bring out here even our MM said 山 高皇帝远 mentality of the PRC CHINESE regarding the SOO CHOW Park Agreement.
i think it applies to the India Nationals here in Singapore too.
With this type of 山 高皇帝远 mentality of these PRC CHINESE & India Nationals FWs, do you agree Singaporeans are duly worried about Singapore future?
>> That's what MM said. You can choose to accept, reflect or reject it. Whether it is applicable to the other nationalities or not. It is not for us to judge. There are good and bad ones around.

If we don't voice out our worries now after the India National Riot then when?
When Singapore lost it's identity to FWs & FTs, completely?
Then it's too late baby now, it's too late to worry. It's over. (As the lyrics in a song says).
>> It's good to be patriotic but as I have said, writing in a forum is not much use. Of course, you can comment in whatever way you want.

NB:
It's a matter of our livelihood now and our future; Our children's future. We can not wait until the next GE. We have to voice out every now and then when detrimental events occur in Singapore to our G. So that hopefully our G can fine tune the country's policies for the benefit of all Singaporeans and not the "Elites" only.

Again, you can voice it out but is it useful? You made your own judgement.

(12-12-2013, 01:05 AM)Clement Wrote: Most police officers in the UK do not carry firearms, and therefore have limited options to defuse such a situation. The police here can fire warning shots, for example, which was not available as an option to the officers responding to the riots in London.

No, policeman here cannot fire warning shots. I know, I was one and I did a further 10 years in reservist. There seems to be a lot of misguided information about what a policeman can do, no doubt perpetuated by popular media and movies.

The problem with warning shots is under what condition should it be used and whether can it be used safely, how many shots is enough? There are too many ambiguity and the effectiveness had been found to be questionable (it has a tendency to inflame rather than frighten)

(12-12-2013, 10:34 AM)LionFlyer Wrote:

(12-12-2013, 01:05 AM)Clement Wrote: Most police officers in the UK do not carry firearms, and therefore have limited options to defuse such a situation. The police here can fire warning shots, for example, which was not available as an option to the officers responding to the riots in London.

No, policeman here cannot fire warning shots. I know, I was one and I did a further 10 years in reservist. There seems to be a lot of misguided information about what a policeman can do, no doubt perpetuated by popular media and movies.

The problem with warning shots is under what condition should it be used and whether can it be used safely, how many shots is enough? There are too many ambiguity and the effectiveness had been found to be questionable (it has a tendency to inflame rather than frighten)

That is how a lot of assumption that people have can be proven wrong. Glad to hear from you.

just a wild thought on how the situation can be improved.

1. All foreign construction workers will be entitled to x number of coupons for low cost drinks every month.
2. coupons could be traded between workers who choose not to drink for cash, or via coupon exchange back to the government agency.

Such cost will be borne by government on a long term basis as a form of welfare for these low wage foreign workers.
(maybe can then be recovered from companies that employ these workers.)

Such a scheme can help reduce the number of drinkers and reward those that doesn't, while also controlling the amount of drinks that sells per month.
while it may seems draconian to limit drinks to certain group of workers, but it is better than to ban drinking at a specific area altogether.
but at the same time, it is also considered a welfare for them to get lower cost drinks and also another way to boost their income if they decided not to drink.