Riots in Little India

(10-12-2013, 07:00 PM)Some-one Wrote:

(10-12-2013, 03:38 PM)specuvestor Wrote:

(10-12-2013, 01:38 PM)Some-one Wrote:

(10-12-2013, 09:29 AM)NTL Wrote: I don't understand why this thread becomes anti-policy or anti-FT/FW. This is simply a case where people get too rowdy and forget that they are in Singapore.

If you still don't understand how it can happen, please visit the area at 9pm during weekend.

I don't know why but I feel the net is getting worse and worse. That is the price of too much freedom. Imagine what would happen if the same freedom is given in real life? Fortunately, in the real world, there are law to control. Simple things as written by you can escalate into anti-*. Luckily you are here in VB and not some other places.

Those committing the acts are non juveniles who travelled miles to earn a living. These are unlikely spur of the moment but suppressed angst. We now know that this is actually an "internal affair". The pte bus is actually a hired bus from their Avery Lodge Dorm. They were angry with the death of a co-worker rather than some anonymous person on the street.

Why they turn onto the police and ambulance is the bigger issue. I don't think it is just a "simply" case. Mohamed Bouazizi is not an isolated case either. I don't think we should blame the government for everything under the sun nor be anti-FW at this point, but IMHO this is a symptom of the problem of having huge influx of FW without considering carefully the consequences. Ditto for casinos and the 6.9m population white paper.

This is a value forum, so we should probably be able to rationally whether there is something fundamentally wrong with the policies. When principles are wrong, things can go very wrong.

Well, don't you think there is a lot of assumptions from you? You are saying that it is a suppressed angst. How do you know? Your own experience or you actually know the workers? You are saying that in your opinion, it is a symptom of having huge influx. How do you know? I'm fine if you keep it as your opinion but without knowing anything, let's not assume so many things and just listen quietly to the news.

It is this type of assumption that cause a lot of conflicts. No one knows except the workers themselves. You can claim that the government is bluffing you on all aspects. That is your choice. If there are no trust, nothing people say would change your interpretation.

One more thing. Since you link it to value forum which is related to value investing. Isn't it true that hindsight is always 100% correct?

I think you are a tat too defensive. You also do not know and are making assumptions. My apologies if what I just said offended you. Personally I think it is better to be vigilant and not be complacent. Assume the worst so that one can prepare for it and not be caught off guard again.

(10-12-2013, 11:21 PM)kichialo Wrote:

(10-12-2013, 07:00 PM)Some-one Wrote:

(10-12-2013, 03:38 PM)specuvestor Wrote:

(10-12-2013, 01:38 PM)Some-one Wrote:

(10-12-2013, 09:29 AM)NTL Wrote: I don't understand why this thread becomes anti-policy or anti-FT/FW. This is simply a case where people get too rowdy and forget that they are in Singapore.

If you still don't understand how it can happen, please visit the area at 9pm during weekend.

I don't know why but I feel the net is getting worse and worse. That is the price of too much freedom. Imagine what would happen if the same freedom is given in real life? Fortunately, in the real world, there are law to control. Simple things as written by you can escalate into anti-*. Luckily you are here in VB and not some other places.

Those committing the acts are non juveniles who travelled miles to earn a living. These are unlikely spur of the moment but suppressed angst. We now know that this is actually an "internal affair". The pte bus is actually a hired bus from their Avery Lodge Dorm. They were angry with the death of a co-worker rather than some anonymous person on the street.

Why they turn onto the police and ambulance is the bigger issue. I don't think it is just a "simply" case. Mohamed Bouazizi is not an isolated case either. I don't think we should blame the government for everything under the sun nor be anti-FW at this point, but IMHO this is a symptom of the problem of having huge influx of FW without considering carefully the consequences. Ditto for casinos and the 6.9m population white paper.

This is a value forum, so we should probably be able to rationally whether there is something fundamentally wrong with the policies. When principles are wrong, things can go very wrong.

Well, don't you think there is a lot of assumptions from you? You are saying that it is a suppressed angst. How do you know? Your own experience or you actually know the workers? You are saying that in your opinion, it is a symptom of having huge influx. How do you know? I'm fine if you keep it as your opinion but without knowing anything, let's not assume so many things and just listen quietly to the news.

It is this type of assumption that cause a lot of conflicts. No one knows except the workers themselves. You can claim that the government is bluffing you on all aspects. That is your choice. If there are no trust, nothing people say would change your interpretation.

One more thing. Since you link it to value forum which is related to value investing. Isn't it true that hindsight is always 100% correct?

I think you are a tat too defensive. You also do not know and are making assumptions. My apologies if what I just said offended you. Personally I think it is better to be vigilant and not be complacent. Assume the worst so that one can prepare for it and not be caught off guard again.

Defensive? That has never been the case and I have never say that I know. Perhaps you should think why you are saying that I am defensive? Is it because you yourself is assuming that I am been defensive?

It's important to be vigilant and not complacent. If you are only seeing what you are seeing, no one can change that and you can remain in your own thoughts. One should just open up more. There are more things that you and I do not know.

The Straits Times, AsiaOne

Tuesday, Dec 10, 2013


Lawyers in Singapore whom The Straits Times spoke to said it would be difficult to take the television station to task.


Get the full story from The Straits Times.

Background story:

The Sun TV report had several factual inaccuracies including mentioning a female bus driver.

According to the report on Sun TV news report, which was in Tamil, the Indian national died after he was pushed off the bus, sparking off a riot.

The report claimed that he was pushed off the bus by a female bus driver, while he was trying to board the bus, and was killed on the spot.

The Indian news channel then reported that other Indian nationals who witnessed the incident were angered by it and attacked the driver and then set the bus on fire.

The news report by Sun TV also claimed that Singaporean authorities and Chinese who were around the area then started to beat the Indian nationals up.

This attack led to two other vehicles being burnt.

There was also a mention in the report that there are many Indian nationals living In Singapore's Little India, and it is common for them to meet around the market area.

abrahamr@sph.com.sg

(10-12-2013, 07:00 PM)Some-one Wrote:

(10-12-2013, 03:38 PM)specuvestor Wrote:

(10-12-2013, 01:38 PM)Some-one Wrote:

(10-12-2013, 09:29 AM)NTL Wrote: I don't understand why this thread becomes anti-policy or anti-FT/FW. This is simply a case where people get too rowdy and forget that they are in Singapore.

If you still don't understand how it can happen, please visit the area at 9pm during weekend.

I don't know why but I feel the net is getting worse and worse. That is the price of too much freedom. Imagine what would happen if the same freedom is given in real life? Fortunately, in the real world, there are law to control. Simple things as written by you can escalate into anti-*. Luckily you are here in VB and not some other places.

Those committing the acts are non juveniles who travelled miles to earn a living. These are unlikely spur of the moment but suppressed angst. We now know that this is actually an "internal affair". The pte bus is actually a hired bus from their Avery Lodge Dorm. They were angry with the death of a co-worker rather than some anonymous person on the street.

Why they turn onto the police and ambulance is the bigger issue. I don't think it is just a "simply" case. Mohamed Bouazizi is not an isolated case either. I don't think we should blame the government for everything under the sun nor be anti-FW at this point, but IMHO this is a symptom of the problem of having huge influx of FW without considering carefully the consequences. Ditto for casinos and the 6.9m population white paper.

This is a value forum, so we should probably be able to rationally whether there is something fundamentally wrong with the policies. When principles are wrong, things can go very wrong.

Well, don't you think there is a lot of assumptions from you? You are saying that it is a suppressed angst. How do you know? Your own experience or you actually know the workers? You are saying that in your opinion, it is a symptom of having huge influx. How do you know? I'm fine if you keep it as your opinion but without knowing anything, let's not assume so many things and just listen quietly to the news.

It is this type of assumption that cause a lot of conflicts. No one knows except the workers themselves. You can claim that the government is bluffing you on all aspects. That is your choice. If there are no trust, nothing people say would change your interpretation.

One more thing. Since you link it to value forum which is related to value investing. Isn't it true that hindsight is always 100% correct?

Ha! Ha!
For country like China & India, such a vast country, "山 高皇帝远" (aka taking laws into their own hands) is not an uncommon practice or not unheard off for the common people and the bureaucrats.

Honestly i am actually not surprised by the recent Strike by the Bus Drivers from China and now the Riot by the Indians from India.

It is really people from different places, different environments have different cultures.
It can be as simple as this i believe, Politics aside.

(10-12-2013, 11:44 PM)Some-one Wrote:

(10-12-2013, 11:21 PM)kichialo Wrote:

(10-12-2013, 07:00 PM)Some-one Wrote:

(10-12-2013, 03:38 PM)specuvestor Wrote:

(10-12-2013, 01:38 PM)Some-one Wrote: I don't know why but I feel the net is getting worse and worse. That is the price of too much freedom. Imagine what would happen if the same freedom is given in real life? Fortunately, in the real world, there are law to control. Simple things as written by you can escalate into anti-*. Luckily you are here in VB and not some other places.

Those committing the acts are non juveniles who travelled miles to earn a living. These are unlikely spur of the moment but suppressed angst. We now know that this is actually an "internal affair". The pte bus is actually a hired bus from their Avery Lodge Dorm. They were angry with the death of a co-worker rather than some anonymous person on the street.

Why they turn onto the police and ambulance is the bigger issue. I don't think it is just a "simply" case. Mohamed Bouazizi is not an isolated case either. I don't think we should blame the government for everything under the sun nor be anti-FW at this point, but IMHO this is a symptom of the problem of having huge influx of FW without considering carefully the consequences. Ditto for casinos and the 6.9m population white paper.

This is a value forum, so we should probably be able to rationally whether there is something fundamentally wrong with the policies. When principles are wrong, things can go very wrong.

Well, don't you think there is a lot of assumptions from you? You are saying that it is a suppressed angst. How do you know? Your own experience or you actually know the workers? You are saying that in your opinion, it is a symptom of having huge influx. How do you know? I'm fine if you keep it as your opinion but without knowing anything, let's not assume so many things and just listen quietly to the news.

It is this type of assumption that cause a lot of conflicts. No one knows except the workers themselves. You can claim that the government is bluffing you on all aspects. That is your choice. If there are no trust, nothing people say would change your interpretation.

One more thing. Since you link it to value forum which is related to value investing. Isn't it true that hindsight is always 100% correct?

I think you are a tat too defensive. You also do not know and are making assumptions. My apologies if what I just said offended you. Personally I think it is better to be vigilant and not be complacent. Assume the worst so that one can prepare for it and not be caught off guard again.

Defensive? That has never been the case and I have never say that I know. Perhaps you should think why you are saying that I am defensive? Is it because you yourself is assuming that I am been defensive?

It's important to be vigilant and not complacent. If you are only seeing what you are seeing, no one can change that and you can remain in your own thoughts. One should just open up more. There are more things that you and I do not know.

sure, you are not defensive at all...don't worry...

Dear Pianist,

First, Thank you for educating me that the riot in race course road and the Boston Bomber are the same and you can compare them equally.

I was always of the impression that they are totally different and should be handled differently.

Did you know,U.S. has had many riots such as these over the years for many different reasons from environment to free trade , unjust politics etc... Did you know that they don't arrest all the thousands of people on the street ? They only arrest those that turn violent.

These jokers!! pfffft! They should arrest them all!!!

2nd, 376 to go? Did you or anyone see that exactly 400 people rioted and all 400 people trashed public property ? Did anyone ascertain that all 400 people were drunk and in that state they took part in the riot?

Wow! you got the facts so fast! Who is your source?

If I was in race course road by chance on that night at a pub drinking and came out to see and walked about, Am I one of those 400 people who needs to be arrested?

What about the guy who was trying to prevent people from throwing things at the bus? Is he one of the 400?

3rd, Are you from the criminal investigation branch that you know what the operations ongoing now? Have you done an audit of the police and its related organizations that you feel that they are incompetent and are a joke?

Appreciate your kind reply as I am eager to learn more you.

Thank you.

(11-12-2013, 12:00 AM)pianist Wrote: 24 caught....376 still at large..
rem to lock your door & gate..

see how the boston bombers were tracked & nailed to the end..but not the case here in sg
Obama was resolute to make sure they faced the full force of the law..
but here we hear is a one-off isolated incident, maybe alcohol influence/ban..is this a joke?

Perhaps the strike by the cina bus drivers should have warned them of the real issues. It not good to have a convenent excuse and blame on alcohol alone. Unfortunately from the media, we w jus hear one side of the story.

We also have to look at prevention, if there is a frequent presence of police around in a place people tend to be guarded and not do anything stupid because big brother watching but there's a total lack of it in little india. If you check maps of the area I don't see any police station in little india.

I know there is a NPC police post at Norris road but I never seen any police patrols around that area, I've seen AETOS doing the patrolling I'm guessing it's outsourced to them. What is the home team doing in that NPC your guess as good as mine.

There is another police station further around kk women's and children hospital but otherwise that's it. Does it look like they are trying to avoid the place?

You go to any event that has a large body of people gather like football game or rock concert there is usually a police presence around.

Could it be their lack of interest in little india has led up to this with a big bang?

Me think it's very difficult to prevent it will never happen again.
Why?

Why simple Simon says:-

"Different Folks, Different Strokes.
Different Countries, Different Cultures,
Never will be in the Same Boats"

http://youtu.be/PBGjvkIivu8

shake head. why men-in-blue fleeing like ..........