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Transcab problem will be CD as well just that CD taxi numbers are buried within a larger global transport conglomerate...
(17-11-2014, 10:38 PM)thor666 Wrote: I was going to go through the prospectus this evening when I saw the cna news.
Anyway, late on the draw, my perspective of Singapore taxi industry is that it is a regulated financing industry. Big fish get capital, buys a bunch of cars and accreditations, gets in taxi drivers and rents out the cabs. Generally, all petrol, Coe and other pricing mechanisms are mitigated through a periodic review by the government body. The system will be good if the company can minimize costs of leasing, maintenance and manage cash flow well.
I looked through some of the key things I had pondered upon.
Current ratio is not as good as CD, there may be a risk involved in cashflow.
I'm surprised they still intend to spend money to upgrade their call system. Imo in view of apps like grabtaxi and uber, a wait and see is more prudent.
As noted, the profit growth is mostly flat after stripping out special items.
Fleet Growth is limited up to 2% based on quality standards set out by lta. So far transcab has only met 1% for coming year.
I suppose the growth story will not be in the taxi business. More likely, Ceo is gathering funding to target the upcoming bus tenders, which can potentially be quite lucrative.
Since the ipo is cancelled, any relisting in view of the negative news will likely push down the ipo price. Imo, Interested parties should be considering transcab based on their potential value on new business rather than their existing taxi business.
Will stay out of this ipo. There is still other counters I am more keen to park my funds long term in.
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Gg - agreed. My feel of cd is that 1. It has a more profitable overseas ops and 2. It is probably overpriced imo.
I did remember reading up that most transport companies in the world are not profitable in nature, will take time to assess as this industry is not a need to have in my portfolio.
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Not trying to defame anyone, but just get to know about extra insurance premium on the day before balloting seems ridiculous and not truthful. How can investors trust someone who can't predict the future of his own business and to act retroactively?
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I doubt this is MAS fault because this is a commercial/business issue, not a listing issue.
Rather, it calls into question whether the listing manager and the company have done proper due diligence.
You can count on the greed of man for the next recession to happen.
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Never understand the model of CD and also why it is trading at such low div yield with so low growth rates...
Anyway, not part of my portfolio too...
(17-11-2014, 10:50 PM)thor666 Wrote: Gg - agreed. My feel of cd is that 1. It has a more profitable overseas ops and 2. It is probably overpriced imo.
I did remember reading up that most transport companies in the world are not profitable in nature, will take time to assess as this industry is not a need to have in my portfolio.
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I second this...
(17-11-2014, 11:02 PM)LionFlyer Wrote: I doubt this is MAS fault because this is a commercial/business issue, not a listing issue.
Rather, it calls into question whether the listing manager and the company have done proper due diligence.
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interesting development,
so this guy is linked to the people in white huh?
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(16-11-2014, 10:48 PM)greengiraffe Wrote: I think parking $ with a down-to-earth Towkay like him should not be much worries...
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/singapo...k-20141012
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"I don't believe in regrets. They're a waste of time. You just have to look forward. When things get me down, I just read a humorous book to cheer myself up."
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Lightweight dreams
"I once seriously thought of becoming a jockey because I was small and skinny. I was told they earned a lot; I was then earning only $30 a month. But to be a jockey you needed to weigh 50kg, I was skinny but I was 54kg."
MR TEO, on what he once wanted to be
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Trans-cab towkay Teo Kiang Ang: Ambition, industry and a bit of luck
Gas tycoon and taxi towkay started out earning just $30 a month sweeping floors
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Mr Teo Kiang Ang (above) has a fleet of Trans-cab taxis, numbering nearly 5,000 today. In the 1980s, Mr Teo was busy building the cylinder LPG delivery business. He was the top distributor for Caltex Gas in Singapore for many years.The gas man made headlines as the only businessman who dared venture into the taxi business when it was liberalised in 2003, starting with a fleet of just 50 cabs. -- PHOTO: NG SOR LUAN
Mr Teo Kiang Ang (above) has a fleet of Trans-cab taxis, numbering nearly 5,000 today. In the 1980s, Mr Teo was busy building the cylinder LPG delivery business. He was the top distributor for Caltex Gas in Singapore for many years.The gas man made headlines as the only businessman who dared venture into the taxi business when it was liberalised in 2003, starting with a fleet of just 50 cabs. -- PHOTO: NG SOR LUAN
Mr Teo Kiang Ang (above) has a fleet of Trans-cab taxis, numbering nearly 5,000 today. In the 1980s, Mr Teo was busy building the cylinder LPG delivery business. He was the top distributor for Caltex Gas in Singapore for many years.The gas man made headlines as the only businessman who dared venture into the taxi business when it was liberalised in 2003, starting with a fleet of just 50 cabs. -- PHOTO: NG SOR LUAN
Mr Teo Kiang Ang has a fleet of Trans-cab taxis, numbering nearly 5,000 today. (Above) In the 1980s, Mr Teo was busy building the cylinder LPG delivery business. He was the top distributor for Caltex Gas in Singapore for many years.The gas man made headlines as the only businessman who dared venture into the taxi business when it was liberalised in 2003, starting with a fleet of just 50 cabs. -- PHOTO: COURTESY OF TEO KIANG ANG
BY WONG KIM HOH, SENIOR WRITER
Mr Teo Kiang Ang, head honcho of Trans-cab, breaks out into jovial laughter when his deputy chief comes into the conference room and dumps a huge stack of paper in front of him.
They are, she tells him, tender documents to operate bus routes. Earlier this year, the authorities announced plans to massively overhaul the public bus industry with a new contracting system. From 2016, the Government will own all buses and infrastructure while paying transport firms to operate routes.
Asked if he is going to help himself to a slice of the pie, the 64-year-old replies bashfully that he is just exploring possibilities.
If he does, it will add to the list of businesses he has started, one which includes shipbuilding, food and beverage, as well as mattress manufacturing.
Mr Teo, however, is best known as a gas tycoon and taxi towkay.
The secondary school dropout made a living delivering gas cylinders more than 40 years ago but now owns Union Energy Corporation, which controls more than 30 per cent of the bottled gas market and has an annual revenue of $130 million.
In 2003, he went into the then newly liberalised taxi trade and started Trans-cab with just 50 vehicles. It is now the second largest taxi operator here with a fleet of nearly 5,000 taxis; its turnover last year was more than $174 million.
For as long as he can remember, Mr Teo has wanted his own little piece of the sky.
"I may be small, but my spirit is big," he says with a laugh, speaking in Mandarin.
As he was born poor and did not have much of an education, he reckoned the only way he could climb out of poverty was by going into business.
Ambition, fuelled by doggedness, industry and a bit of luck, helped him realise his dream and made him a millionaire many times over.
He arrived penniless in Singapore from Swatow in China when he was 10 years old in 1960, after travelling for seven days on a rickety boat with his mother.
Their prospects looked bleak.
Mr Teo's father - a bus conductor and odd job labourer who had left China several years earlier - was in Tan Tock Seng Hospital with tuberculosis when his family arrived.
"He was in the hospital for six years. Occasionally, the hospital would call, telling us to rush down because he might not make it, and one day he just went," he recalls.
"I was not close to him. I grew up in China without a father and it was strange to have one when we came to Singapore."
To make ends meet, his mother became a washerwoman and later a live-in maid.
"I was left alone and saw her once every two weeks," says Mr Teo, who lived with his maternal grandmother in a village in Hougang.
He spent a year in Guang Ming Primary before transferring to Holy Innocents' where he dropped out after completing Secondary 1. It was not by choice, he says. "Money was too tight."
A trading company in Rochor Road hired him as a general dogsbody. "I swept the floors, cleaned the toilets, ate and slept in the company and was paid $30 a month," says Mr Teo, who stayed with the company for five years. "But I also learnt a lot - how to do business, how to deal with people."
It did not take him long to realise that a much bigger world awaited him.
"I used to keep a diary and I would write in it every night, telling myself I had to build my own business," he says.
But he had to bide his time and wait until he was 21, as was the law in those days, before he could register a business.
He started Yong Huk - which dealt in porcelain as well as plastic household items - in the early 1970s with $3,000 cobbled from his savings and a loan from his mother. It was a one-man show, and the going was tough.
"I was salesman and delivery boy and I had to go all over Singapore. I started early in the morning and ended late at night," he says.
Despite his best efforts, the venture failed and folded two years later because of cash flow problems.
"It was hard to get credit and hard to collect payment. But I don't regret the experience. I met so many people and learnt so much; my skin grew a lot thicker in the process."
The experience bruised but did not break him.
After some soul searching, he decided that supplying bottled gas would be lucrative, as Housing Board flats were being built rapidly during the early 1970s.
"I thought about it carefully. Wood had given way to coal to kerosene to gas. I told myself gas was the next big thing and went in," he says.
A friend lent him $2,000 to start Choon Hin in 1975.
Come rain or shine, he would carry and deliver gas cylinders, some of which weighed twice his 50kg frame, to all corners of the island.
The business grew rapidly.
"In my first couple of months, I earned just over $1,000. But this quickly grew to several thousands and then tens of thousands," says Mr Teo, who landed the distributorship for CalGas in 1985.
His earnings hit a plateau when the company exited the market. His margins became lower because of tight controls by the big boys who wanted to close the supply vacuum.
"I knew we had to bottle our gas," says Mr Teo, who started distributing gas under his own brand Union in 1995.
The big game changer came in 2000 when he bought Summit Gas and its gas bottling plant in Jalan Buloh for just over $1 million.
As most of his money was tied up in assets, he dug into his savings and remortgaged his delivery vehicles to raise the capital.
"I was very excited because I knew if I had my own plant, my business would be very different."
Indeed, his business multiplied many times after that. From just $6 million in 2000, his annual revenue now exceeds $130 million.
Today, Union Energy is the market leader in the liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) trade. Its clients include not just households but also food outlets, government bodies, educational institutions, country clubs and companies. Besides supplying LPG, it also retails products such as stoves and cooker hoods, as well as offer services like installation and maintenance of LPG piping.
Mr Teo also harboured big dreams for compressed natural gas (CNG) and even opened three CNG refilling stations including the world's largest in Old Toh Tuck Road five years ago. But that dream fizzled when the Government imposed a tariff on CNG in 2012 which narrowed the gap between the prices of gas and traditional fuels.
The setback irked him but he moved on.
"I never regret what I do because I would have always learnt something. There's no point having a negative attitude. We should always look ahead and start again," he says.
The foray into CNG was not the first setback for Mr Teo who also started a shipbuilding company, a restaurant and a mattress firm.
The first failed and cost him "a bungalow"; the second was sold because it required too much attention; the third was moderately profitable and given to one of his staff to run.
In 2003, when the Government liberalised the taxi trade, he decided to invest $3 million to start Trans-cab and become a taxi operator.
"Not many people dared to enter the fray because the rules and regulations were so daunting. But I've always relished challenges in business," he says. He is chairman of Trans-cab, which acquired rival operator Smart Taxis last year.
An avid reader of Chinese classics such as Romance Of The Three Kingdoms, he says being successful in business is all about finding equilibrium.
"Making money shouldn't always be your starting point. Trust is also important. Often you have to put yourself in the shoes of the other party to come up with a winning solution for everyone," he says.
Without affectation, he says he enjoys a good relationship with his taxi drivers. He became friends with many while selling diesel to them.
"They don't need to come and look for me, I would go and look for them. I'm always downstairs," he says, referring to the busy compound outside Trans-cab's headquarters in Defu Lane 1 where his drivers gather.
Asked if they often harangue him with complaints, he laughs: "I'm not afraid of complaints. Complaints are to me a challenge and a good way to improve myself."
Although he has worked very hard, he believes that luck has played a big part in getting him to where he is.
In 2007, he shelled out $25 million to buy a 5,413 sq m site in Kallang which included the Oasis building.
"I had already firmed up plans to build a floating hotel, something Singapore has never seen before, and a floating stage," he says.
But these plans were nixed when the Government, under the Land Acquisition Act, bought him out barely three months later to develop the Sports Hub. However, there was a silver lining to the whole affair as he was paid $42 million for the site.
Mr Teo has seven children aged between 16 and 37, and nine grandchildren, the eldest of whom is 10.
"I don't have a family, I have a tribe," he says, suddenly lapsing into English.
Five of his children are now working for him.
"There comes a time in life when you have to let go and I'm starting to learn how to do that now," he says.
But if a new business opportunity arises, he is still game to take it on.
"Because it's a challenge and I love challenges."
kimhoh@sph.com.sg
This article was first published on Oct 12, 2014
Wow tokway Teo has so many children and grandchildren.
I also like to get married and have children but do not have girlfriend for a long time. So sad.
Transcab taxi failed to take us into IPOland; got hit by insurance missile so near the destination. Now taxi sent to Transcab internal workshop for further investigation. Hopefully, the new IPO price will be set at $0.68 as a gesture of goodwill instead of maybe $0.88. Praying for the best.
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(18-11-2014, 06:43 AM)weii Wrote: (16-11-2014, 10:48 PM)greengiraffe Wrote: I think parking $ with a down-to-earth Towkay like him should not be much worries...
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/singapo...k-20141012
No regrets
"I don't believe in regrets. They're a waste of time. You just have to look forward. When things get me down, I just read a humorous book to cheer myself up."
MR TEO KIANG ANG, on regrets
Lightweight dreams
"I once seriously thought of becoming a jockey because I was small and skinny. I was told they earned a lot; I was then earning only $30 a month. But to be a jockey you needed to weigh 50kg, I was skinny but I was 54kg."
MR TEO, on what he once wanted to be
HomeSingaporeStory
Trans-cab towkay Teo Kiang Ang: Ambition, industry and a bit of luck
Gas tycoon and taxi towkay started out earning just $30 a month sweeping floors
PUBLISHED ON OCT 12, 2014 12:55 AM
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Mr Teo Kiang Ang (above) has a fleet of Trans-cab taxis, numbering nearly 5,000 today. In the 1980s, Mr Teo was busy building the cylinder LPG delivery business. He was the top distributor for Caltex Gas in Singapore for many years.The gas man made headlines as the only businessman who dared venture into the taxi business when it was liberalised in 2003, starting with a fleet of just 50 cabs. -- PHOTO: NG SOR LUAN
Mr Teo Kiang Ang (above) has a fleet of Trans-cab taxis, numbering nearly 5,000 today. In the 1980s, Mr Teo was busy building the cylinder LPG delivery business. He was the top distributor for Caltex Gas in Singapore for many years.The gas man made headlines as the only businessman who dared venture into the taxi business when it was liberalised in 2003, starting with a fleet of just 50 cabs. -- PHOTO: NG SOR LUAN
Mr Teo Kiang Ang (above) has a fleet of Trans-cab taxis, numbering nearly 5,000 today. In the 1980s, Mr Teo was busy building the cylinder LPG delivery business. He was the top distributor for Caltex Gas in Singapore for many years.The gas man made headlines as the only businessman who dared venture into the taxi business when it was liberalised in 2003, starting with a fleet of just 50 cabs. -- PHOTO: NG SOR LUAN
Mr Teo Kiang Ang has a fleet of Trans-cab taxis, numbering nearly 5,000 today. (Above) In the 1980s, Mr Teo was busy building the cylinder LPG delivery business. He was the top distributor for Caltex Gas in Singapore for many years.The gas man made headlines as the only businessman who dared venture into the taxi business when it was liberalised in 2003, starting with a fleet of just 50 cabs. -- PHOTO: COURTESY OF TEO KIANG ANG
BY WONG KIM HOH, SENIOR WRITER
Mr Teo Kiang Ang, head honcho of Trans-cab, breaks out into jovial laughter when his deputy chief comes into the conference room and dumps a huge stack of paper in front of him.
They are, she tells him, tender documents to operate bus routes. Earlier this year, the authorities announced plans to massively overhaul the public bus industry with a new contracting system. From 2016, the Government will own all buses and infrastructure while paying transport firms to operate routes.
Asked if he is going to help himself to a slice of the pie, the 64-year-old replies bashfully that he is just exploring possibilities.
If he does, it will add to the list of businesses he has started, one which includes shipbuilding, food and beverage, as well as mattress manufacturing.
Mr Teo, however, is best known as a gas tycoon and taxi towkay.
The secondary school dropout made a living delivering gas cylinders more than 40 years ago but now owns Union Energy Corporation, which controls more than 30 per cent of the bottled gas market and has an annual revenue of $130 million.
In 2003, he went into the then newly liberalised taxi trade and started Trans-cab with just 50 vehicles. It is now the second largest taxi operator here with a fleet of nearly 5,000 taxis; its turnover last year was more than $174 million.
For as long as he can remember, Mr Teo has wanted his own little piece of the sky.
"I may be small, but my spirit is big," he says with a laugh, speaking in Mandarin.
As he was born poor and did not have much of an education, he reckoned the only way he could climb out of poverty was by going into business.
Ambition, fuelled by doggedness, industry and a bit of luck, helped him realise his dream and made him a millionaire many times over.
He arrived penniless in Singapore from Swatow in China when he was 10 years old in 1960, after travelling for seven days on a rickety boat with his mother.
Their prospects looked bleak.
Mr Teo's father - a bus conductor and odd job labourer who had left China several years earlier - was in Tan Tock Seng Hospital with tuberculosis when his family arrived.
"He was in the hospital for six years. Occasionally, the hospital would call, telling us to rush down because he might not make it, and one day he just went," he recalls.
"I was not close to him. I grew up in China without a father and it was strange to have one when we came to Singapore."
To make ends meet, his mother became a washerwoman and later a live-in maid.
"I was left alone and saw her once every two weeks," says Mr Teo, who lived with his maternal grandmother in a village in Hougang.
He spent a year in Guang Ming Primary before transferring to Holy Innocents' where he dropped out after completing Secondary 1. It was not by choice, he says. "Money was too tight."
A trading company in Rochor Road hired him as a general dogsbody. "I swept the floors, cleaned the toilets, ate and slept in the company and was paid $30 a month," says Mr Teo, who stayed with the company for five years. "But I also learnt a lot - how to do business, how to deal with people."
It did not take him long to realise that a much bigger world awaited him.
"I used to keep a diary and I would write in it every night, telling myself I had to build my own business," he says.
But he had to bide his time and wait until he was 21, as was the law in those days, before he could register a business.
He started Yong Huk - which dealt in porcelain as well as plastic household items - in the early 1970s with $3,000 cobbled from his savings and a loan from his mother. It was a one-man show, and the going was tough.
"I was salesman and delivery boy and I had to go all over Singapore. I started early in the morning and ended late at night," he says.
Despite his best efforts, the venture failed and folded two years later because of cash flow problems.
"It was hard to get credit and hard to collect payment. But I don't regret the experience. I met so many people and learnt so much; my skin grew a lot thicker in the process."
The experience bruised but did not break him.
After some soul searching, he decided that supplying bottled gas would be lucrative, as Housing Board flats were being built rapidly during the early 1970s.
"I thought about it carefully. Wood had given way to coal to kerosene to gas. I told myself gas was the next big thing and went in," he says.
A friend lent him $2,000 to start Choon Hin in 1975.
Come rain or shine, he would carry and deliver gas cylinders, some of which weighed twice his 50kg frame, to all corners of the island.
The business grew rapidly.
"In my first couple of months, I earned just over $1,000. But this quickly grew to several thousands and then tens of thousands," says Mr Teo, who landed the distributorship for CalGas in 1985.
His earnings hit a plateau when the company exited the market. His margins became lower because of tight controls by the big boys who wanted to close the supply vacuum.
"I knew we had to bottle our gas," says Mr Teo, who started distributing gas under his own brand Union in 1995.
The big game changer came in 2000 when he bought Summit Gas and its gas bottling plant in Jalan Buloh for just over $1 million.
As most of his money was tied up in assets, he dug into his savings and remortgaged his delivery vehicles to raise the capital.
"I was very excited because I knew if I had my own plant, my business would be very different."
Indeed, his business multiplied many times after that. From just $6 million in 2000, his annual revenue now exceeds $130 million.
Today, Union Energy is the market leader in the liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) trade. Its clients include not just households but also food outlets, government bodies, educational institutions, country clubs and companies. Besides supplying LPG, it also retails products such as stoves and cooker hoods, as well as offer services like installation and maintenance of LPG piping.
Mr Teo also harboured big dreams for compressed natural gas (CNG) and even opened three CNG refilling stations including the world's largest in Old Toh Tuck Road five years ago. But that dream fizzled when the Government imposed a tariff on CNG in 2012 which narrowed the gap between the prices of gas and traditional fuels.
The setback irked him but he moved on.
"I never regret what I do because I would have always learnt something. There's no point having a negative attitude. We should always look ahead and start again," he says.
The foray into CNG was not the first setback for Mr Teo who also started a shipbuilding company, a restaurant and a mattress firm.
The first failed and cost him "a bungalow"; the second was sold because it required too much attention; the third was moderately profitable and given to one of his staff to run.
In 2003, when the Government liberalised the taxi trade, he decided to invest $3 million to start Trans-cab and become a taxi operator.
"Not many people dared to enter the fray because the rules and regulations were so daunting. But I've always relished challenges in business," he says. He is chairman of Trans-cab, which acquired rival operator Smart Taxis last year.
An avid reader of Chinese classics such as Romance Of The Three Kingdoms, he says being successful in business is all about finding equilibrium.
"Making money shouldn't always be your starting point. Trust is also important. Often you have to put yourself in the shoes of the other party to come up with a winning solution for everyone," he says.
Without affectation, he says he enjoys a good relationship with his taxi drivers. He became friends with many while selling diesel to them.
"They don't need to come and look for me, I would go and look for them. I'm always downstairs," he says, referring to the busy compound outside Trans-cab's headquarters in Defu Lane 1 where his drivers gather.
Asked if they often harangue him with complaints, he laughs: "I'm not afraid of complaints. Complaints are to me a challenge and a good way to improve myself."
Although he has worked very hard, he believes that luck has played a big part in getting him to where he is.
In 2007, he shelled out $25 million to buy a 5,413 sq m site in Kallang which included the Oasis building.
"I had already firmed up plans to build a floating hotel, something Singapore has never seen before, and a floating stage," he says.
But these plans were nixed when the Government, under the Land Acquisition Act, bought him out barely three months later to develop the Sports Hub. However, there was a silver lining to the whole affair as he was paid $42 million for the site.
Mr Teo has seven children aged between 16 and 37, and nine grandchildren, the eldest of whom is 10.
"I don't have a family, I have a tribe," he says, suddenly lapsing into English.
Five of his children are now working for him.
"There comes a time in life when you have to let go and I'm starting to learn how to do that now," he says.
But if a new business opportunity arises, he is still game to take it on.
"Because it's a challenge and I love challenges."
kimhoh@sph.com.sg
This article was first published on Oct 12, 2014
Wow tokway Teo has so many children and grandchildren.
I also like to get married and have children but do not have girlfriend for a long time. So sad.
Transcab taxi failed to take us into IPOland; got hit by insurance missile so near the destination. Now taxi sent to Transcab internal workshop for further investigation. Hopefully, the new IPO price will be set at $0.68 as a gesture of goodwill instead of maybe $0.88. Praying for the best.
Towkay is a young and strong man... I guess for a tough bloke that is a well grounded person, he needs to expend his energy somewhere...
Btw, the following is the latest extract from ST:
The figure of $1.83 million is much lower than a purported insurance debt of $50 million that a person by the name of S.S. Phoa claimed in a letter Trans-Cab owed.
The letter, addressed to the Singapore Exchange just a few days after Trans-Cab first announced on Nov 3 its intention to go public, alleged that with the IPO, Trans-Cab would be "transferring" the debt to the public.
The amount is said to be owing to First Capital Insurance.
So never never mess around with S.S. - Secret Squirrels...
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Even if transcab ipo had gone through, the stock will be just a run of the mill kind. Almost everyone here knows transcab is enjoying one time credit gains as seen in p&l statement. Strip it out, and the stock earns approx 4 cents adjusted core eps. it can't be scrapping taxis all the time.Following its dividend policy, future shareholders are only getting 3.5% off from ipo price. This makes it wonder if lion global etc did thorough checks before adding it into their equity funds
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