Investors enthused by rising market, especially among lower-cost punts

[2V.]

I suggest do it manually , Internet platform has disclaimer if the internet system don't work , e.g. Stop loss limit , they are not liable for potential losses if price dip lower

That my strategies too, but an element of luck play a part. I value a company at 72 cents, set take profits target if it falls back to 70 cents, which it did. I sell, then it cheong now to 80 over cents. That counter is CES, but at least i made some decent profits

For aspial, i valued it at 15cents (can't remember the workings) but then it keeps going up.... and i keep shifting my cut profit targets
I will be cursing myself if i had sold it at say, 18 cents......
I called it a mix of value and trading approach.

"At every interval, set a cut profit limit eg $1.10, $1.20 and etc."
Unqoute:_
Hi guys, which SG's INT BROKERAGE allow you to do the above? Do you mean "STOP LOSS LIMIT"?
I have to do it "manually" very difficult leh?
i am trying to join CITI BANK INT BROKERAGE but CITI still processing my application after 2 weeks. i only got a notice from CDP informing my account is linked but nothing from CITI yet? DAMN TA PAI!

Temperament, i did it manually

Hi camelking & Greenrookie,

Citi Bank INT Trading Brokerage has this "Special Stop Loss" and "Limit Stop Loss". But Citi doesn't seems to welcome me ikan billis investor. More than 14 days already, still "NO GO YOU CAN START TRADING." i wonder once approve, whether CITI will give me more "delay tatics" problems?

[camelking]

Let's say in your view, the value of stock A is $1.00
You got it at 60cents some time back.

Now, the market price is $1.03.
Do you sell?
It is over-valued as per your analysis.

My view is no, you shouldn't sell.
Set a cut profit limit at $1.00 if you like
and let the punters move the price up for you.
You don't get bullish market every few months, remember?

At every interval, set a cut profit limit eg $1.10, $1.20 and etc.

That my strategies too, but an element of luck play a part. I value a company at 72 cents, set take profits target if it falls back to 70 cents, which it did. I sell, then it cheong now to 80 over cents. That counter is CES, but at least i made some decent profits

For aspial, i valued it at 15cents (can't remember the workings) but then it keeps going up.... and i keep shifting my cut profit targets
I will be cursing myself if i had sold it at say, 18 cents......
I called it a mix of value and trading approach.

"At every interval, set a cut profit limit eg $1.10, $1.20 and etc."
Unqoute:_
Hi guys, which SG's INT BROKERAGE allow you to do the above? Do you mean "STOP LOSS LIMIT"?
I have to do it "manually" very difficult leh?
i am trying to join CITI BANK INT BROKERAGE but CITI still processing my application after 2 weeks. i only got a notice from CDP informing my account is linked but nothing from CITI yet? DAMN TA PAI!

Yes, it is called stop loss limit.
Phillip Pro-trader allows you to do it.
Of course, it may not work all the times as stated in the disclaimer.

[Temperament]

Let's say in your view, the value of stock A is $1.00
You got it at 60cents some time back.

Now, the market price is $1.03.
Do you sell?
It is over-valued as per your analysis.

My view is no, you shouldn't sell.
Set a cut profit limit at $1.00 if you like
and let the punters move the price up for you.
You don't get bullish market every few months, remember?

At every interval, set a cut profit limit eg $1.10, $1.20 and etc.

That my strategies too, but an element of luck play a part. I value a company at 72 cents, set take profits target if it falls back to 70 cents, which it did. I sell, then it cheong now to 80 over cents. That counter is CES, but at least i made some decent profits

For aspial, i valued it at 15cents (can't remember the workings) but then it keeps going up.... and i keep shifting my cut profit targets
I will be cursing myself if i had sold it at say, 18 cents......
I called it a mix of value and trading approach.

"At every interval, set a cut profit limit eg $1.10, $1.20 and etc."
Unqoute:_
Hi guys, which SG's INT BROKERAGE allow you to do the above? Do you mean "STOP LOSS LIMIT"?
I have to do it "manually" very difficult leh?
i am trying to join CITI BANK INT BROKERAGE but CITI still processing my application after 2 weeks. i only got a notice from CDP informing my account is linked but nothing from CITI yet? DAMN TA PAI!

Yes, it is called stop loss limit.
Phillip Pro-trader allows you to do it.
Of course, it may not work all the times as stated in the disclaimer.

Thanks for the feedback. i will be careful.

[paullow]

I suggest do it manually , Internet platform has disclaimer if the internet system don't work , e.g. Stop loss limit , they are not liable for potential losses if price dip lower

For aspial, i valued it at 15cents (can't remember the workings) but then it keeps going up.... and i keep shifting my cut profit targets
I will be cursing myself if i had sold it at say, 18 cents......
I called it a mix of value and trading approach.

"At every interval, set a cut profit limit eg $1.10, $1.20 and etc."
Unqoute:_
Hi guys, which SG's INT BROKERAGE allow you to do the above? Do you mean "STOP LOSS LIMIT"?
I have to do it "manually" very difficult leh?
i am trying to join CITI BANK INT BROKERAGE but CITI still processing my application after 2 weeks. i only got a notice from CDP informing my account is linked but nothing from CITI yet? DAMN TA PAI!

Temperament, i did it manually

Hi camelking & Greenrookie,

Citi Bank INT Trading Brokerage has this "Special Stop Loss" and "Limit Stop Loss". But Citi doesn't seems to welcome me ikan billis investor. More than 14 days already, still "NO GO YOU CAN START TRADING." i wonder once approve, whether CITI will give me more "delay tatics" problems?

hi, i got another view.

say i bought a stock 3 yrs ago at pb0.6, pe 4-6, yield 6-8%pa. now it has doubled in price, nav going up, pb became 1, pe still 4-6, yield is 6-8%(but adjusted for my entry price is actually 12-15%),

i won't sell, unless i got another attractive lobang or unless garmen got some cap/restriction on the biz of my companies.

why?

-company growing and low pe. unlikely to drop back to my purchase price. since pb 0.6 now is significantly higher than pb0.6 3yrs ago
-company feeding me with cash++. no reason to kill my golden gooses.
-even crisis repeats, for the above reason, my fear is less and controlled to some extent, since i still receiving cash(but maybe less)


in the long run, i find this very effective way to increase my cash and wealth.

[Temperament]

I suggest do it manually , Internet platform has disclaimer if the internet system don't work , e.g. Stop loss limit , they are not liable for potential losses if price dip lower

"At every interval, set a cut profit limit eg $1.10, $1.20 and etc."
Unqoute:_
Hi guys, which SG's INT BROKERAGE allow you to do the above? Do you mean "STOP LOSS LIMIT"?
I have to do it "manually" very difficult leh?
i am trying to join CITI BANK INT BROKERAGE but CITI still processing my application after 2 weeks. i only got a notice from CDP informing my account is linked but nothing from CITI yet? DAMN TA PAI!

Temperament, i did it manually

Hi camelking & Greenrookie,

Citi Bank INT Trading Brokerage has this "Special Stop Loss" and "Limit Stop Loss". But Citi doesn't seems to welcome me ikan billis investor. More than 14 days already, still "NO GO YOU CAN START TRADING." i wonder once approve, whether CITI will give me more "delay tatics" problems?

hi, i got another view.

say i bought a stock 3 yrs ago at pb0.6, pe 4-6, yield 6-8%pa. now it has doubled in price, nav going up, pb became 1, pe still 4-6, yield is 6-8%(but adjusted for my entry price is actually 12-15%),

i won't sell, unless i got another attractive lobang or unless garmen got some cap/restriction on the biz of my companies.

why?

-company growing and low pe. unlikely to drop back to my purchase price. since pb 0.6 now is significantly higher than pb0.6 3yrs ago
-company feeding me with cash++. no reason to kill my golden gooses.
-even crisis repeats, for the above reason, my fear is less and controlled to some extent, since i still receiving cash(but maybe less)


in the long run, i find this very effective way to increase my cash and wealth.

i agree some blogger has managed to do what you say in "Singapore Investment Blogger" forum. If only i have done the same. AT least for some counters like what you say. i did B/H/M/S in cycles. Must learn to do a little like you.
But how to know which Company will keep on growing?
If don't grow anymore, shall we sell even the YOC is still very attractive relatively to other counters?

[paullow]

I suggest do it manually , Internet platform has disclaimer if the internet system don't work , e.g. Stop loss limit , they are not liable for potential losses if price dip lower

Temperament, i did it manually

Hi camelking & Greenrookie,

Citi Bank INT Trading Brokerage has this "Special Stop Loss" and "Limit Stop Loss". But Citi doesn't seems to welcome me ikan billis investor. More than 14 days already, still "NO GO YOU CAN START TRADING." i wonder once approve, whether CITI will give me more "delay tatics" problems?

hi, i got another view.

say i bought a stock 3 yrs ago at pb0.6, pe 4-6, yield 6-8%pa. now it has doubled in price, nav going up, pb became 1, pe still 4-6, yield is 6-8%(but adjusted for my entry price is actually 12-15%),

i won't sell, unless i got another attractive lobang or unless garmen got some cap/restriction on the biz of my companies.

why?

-company growing and low pe. unlikely to drop back to my purchase price. since pb 0.6 now is significantly higher than pb0.6 3yrs ago
-company feeding me with cash++. no reason to kill my golden gooses.
-even crisis repeats, for the above reason, my fear is less and controlled to some extent, since i still receiving cash(but maybe less)


in the long run, i find this very effective way to increase my cash and wealth.

i agree some blogger has managed to do what you say in "Singapore Investment Blogger" forum. If only i have done the same. AT least for some counters like what you say. i did B/H/M/S in cycles. Must learn to do a little like you.
But how to know which Company will keep on growing?
If don't grow anymore, shall we sell even the YOC is still very attractive relatively to other counters?

hi,

my reply to that would be:

every investment has risk. i would reduce mine(but cannot be to zero) by having the necessary knowledge.

- if the biz is growing for the past 10yrs, the likelihood of it continuing to happen is high
- some biz are cyclical in nature, u just got to sit tight
- if the unlikely event like what u said happens
option
a) hang on, anyway u bot at low pb years ago, i can't think of a situation u can lose ur capital(unless fraud). the up cycle will likely a matter of time
b) exit, anyway u already likely gained in share price and dividends.

if i could summarise it: companies with consistently low pe, rising nav, decent dividend payout bought at a discount to book value over time will be ideal for consideration for holding for long term for significant wealth creation.

the key is to guard ur downside(but cannot reduce to zero) by having the necessary knowledge and let the profits take care of themselves.

i hope i did not confuse any reader.

[Temperament]

I suggest do it manually , Internet platform has disclaimer if the internet system don't work , e.g. Stop loss limit , they are not liable for potential losses if price dip lower

Hi camelking & Greenrookie,

Citi Bank INT Trading Brokerage has this "Special Stop Loss" and "Limit Stop Loss". But Citi doesn't seems to welcome me ikan billis investor. More than 14 days already, still "NO GO YOU CAN START TRADING." i wonder once approve, whether CITI will give me more "delay tatics" problems?

hi, i got another view.

say i bought a stock 3 yrs ago at pb0.6, pe 4-6, yield 6-8%pa. now it has doubled in price, nav going up, pb became 1, pe still 4-6, yield is 6-8%(but adjusted for my entry price is actually 12-15%),

i won't sell, unless i got another attractive lobang or unless garmen got some cap/restriction on the biz of my companies.

why?

-company growing and low pe. unlikely to drop back to my purchase price. since pb 0.6 now is significantly higher than pb0.6 3yrs ago
-company feeding me with cash++. no reason to kill my golden gooses.
-even crisis repeats, for the above reason, my fear is less and controlled to some extent, since i still receiving cash(but maybe less)


in the long run, i find this very effective way to increase my cash and wealth.

i agree some blogger has managed to do what you say in "Singapore Investment Blogger" forum. If only i have done the same. AT least for some counters like what you say. i did B/H/M/S in cycles. Must learn to do a little like you.
But how to know which Company will keep on growing?
If don't grow anymore, shall we sell even the YOC is still very attractive relatively to other counters?

hi,

my reply to that would be:

every investment has risk. i would reduce mine(but cannot be to zero) by having the necessary knowledge.

- if the biz is growing for the past 10yrs, the likelihood of it continuing to happen is high
- some biz are cyclical in nature, u just got to sit tight
- if the unlikely event like what u said happens
option
a) hang on, anyway u bot at low pb years ago, i can't think of a situation u can lose ur capital(unless fraud). the up cycle will likely a matter of time
b) exit, anyway u already likely gained in share price and dividends.

if i could summarise it: companies with consistently low pe, rising nav, decent dividend payout bought at a discount to book value over time will be ideal for consideration for holding for long term for significant wealth creation.

the key is to guard ur downside(but cannot reduce to zero) by having the necessary knowledge and let the profits take care of themselves.

i hope i did not confuse any reader.

if i could summarise it: companies with consistently low pe, rising nav, decent dividend payout bought at a discount to book value over time will be ideal for consideration for holding for long term for significant wealth creation.

Unquote:
You are advocating "value weightage" investing but very difficult to find such company as the market will usually beat you to it. Nevertheless, we still have to try.

[paullow]

I suggest do it manually , Internet platform has disclaimer if the internet system don't work , e.g. Stop loss limit , they are not liable for potential losses if price dip lower

hi, i got another view.

say i bought a stock 3 yrs ago at pb0.6, pe 4-6, yield 6-8%pa. now it has doubled in price, nav going up, pb became 1, pe still 4-6, yield is 6-8%(but adjusted for my entry price is actually 12-15%),

i won't sell, unless i got another attractive lobang or unless garmen got some cap/restriction on the biz of my companies.

why?

-company growing and low pe. unlikely to drop back to my purchase price. since pb 0.6 now is significantly higher than pb0.6 3yrs ago
-company feeding me with cash++. no reason to kill my golden gooses.
-even crisis repeats, for the above reason, my fear is less and controlled to some extent, since i still receiving cash(but maybe less)


in the long run, i find this very effective way to increase my cash and wealth.

i agree some blogger has managed to do what you say in "Singapore Investment Blogger" forum. If only i have done the same. AT least for some counters like what you say. i did B/H/M/S in cycles. Must learn to do a little like you.
But how to know which Company will keep on growing?
If don't grow anymore, shall we sell even the YOC is still very attractive relatively to other counters?

hi,

my reply to that would be:

every investment has risk. i would reduce mine(but cannot be to zero) by having the necessary knowledge.

- if the biz is growing for the past 10yrs, the likelihood of it continuing to happen is high
- some biz are cyclical in nature, u just got to sit tight
- if the unlikely event like what u said happens
option
a) hang on, anyway u bot at low pb years ago, i can't think of a situation u can lose ur capital(unless fraud). the up cycle will likely a matter of time
b) exit, anyway u already likely gained in share price and dividends.

if i could summarise it: companies with consistently low pe, rising nav, decent dividend payout bought at a discount to book value over time will be ideal for consideration for holding for long term for significant wealth creation.

the key is to guard ur downside(but cannot reduce to zero) by having the necessary knowledge and let the profits take care of themselves.

i hope i did not confuse any reader.

if i could summarise it: companies with consistently low pe, rising nav, decent dividend payout bought at a discount to book value over time will be ideal for consideration for holding for long term for significant wealth creation.

Unquote:
You are advocating "value weightage" investing but very difficult to find such company as the market will usually beat you to it. Nevertheless, we still have to try.

hi,

at sti near 3300, i agree that its hard to find. but i think one will have a decent number of choices at sti 2600-2800.

in other words, when one can't find any which matches the criteria now, i would think the market is getting expensive and i would keep my dividends as cash and cash as cash now.

[Temperament]

hi, i got another view.

say i bought a stock 3 yrs ago at pb0.6, pe 4-6, yield 6-8%pa. now it has doubled in price, nav going up, pb became 1, pe still 4-6, yield is 6-8%(but adjusted for my entry price is actually 12-15%),

i won't sell, unless i got another attractive lobang or unless garmen got some cap/restriction on the biz of my companies.

why?

-company growing and low pe. unlikely to drop back to my purchase price. since pb 0.6 now is significantly higher than pb0.6 3yrs ago
-company feeding me with cash++. no reason to kill my golden gooses.
-even crisis repeats, for the above reason, my fear is less and controlled to some extent, since i still receiving cash(but maybe less)


in the long run, i find this very effective way to increase my cash and wealth.

i agree some blogger has managed to do what you say in "Singapore Investment Blogger" forum. If only i have done the same. AT least for some counters like what you say. i did B/H/M/S in cycles. Must learn to do a little like you.
But how to know which Company will keep on growing?
If don't grow anymore, shall we sell even the YOC is still very attractive relatively to other counters?

hi,

my reply to that would be:

every investment has risk. i would reduce mine(but cannot be to zero) by having the necessary knowledge.

- if the biz is growing for the past 10yrs, the likelihood of it continuing to happen is high
- some biz are cyclical in nature, u just got to sit tight
- if the unlikely event like what u said happens
option
a) hang on, anyway u bot at low pb years ago, i can't think of a situation u can lose ur capital(unless fraud). the up cycle will likely a matter of time
b) exit, anyway u already likely gained in share price and dividends.

if i could summarise it: companies with consistently low pe, rising nav, decent dividend payout bought at a discount to book value over time will be ideal for consideration for holding for long term for significant wealth creation.

the key is to guard ur downside(but cannot reduce to zero) by having the necessary knowledge and let the profits take care of themselves.

i hope i did not confuse any reader.

if i could summarise it: companies with consistently low pe, rising nav, decent dividend payout bought at a discount to book value over time will be ideal for consideration for holding for long term for significant wealth creation.

Unquote:
You are advocating "value weightage" investing but very difficult to find such company as the market will usually beat you to it. Nevertheless, we still have to try.

hi,

at sti near 3300, i agree that its hard to find. but i think one will have a decent number of choices at sti 2600-2800.

in other words, when one can't find any which matches the criteria now, i would think the market is getting expensive and i would keep my dividends as cash and cash as cash now.

Agree.

[Janjansen]

One should be cautious when everyone is greedy!

Especially when you have penny stocks leading the rally and newpapers with headlines of rising stock market.

That said, the market can stay frothy for a long, very long, time. The Dot Com is a very good example. At its peak, the P/E for tech companies went up to as high as 40-50 times. Some analysts were already calling it overpriced when the P/E was above 20 times, but had one sold out then, you would have missed out on the bulk of the gains. Nevermind that the rally was sentiment driven or even irrational, there was real money to be made if one rides the uptrend.

Which is why I believe this bull run still has a long way to go. I believe STI 4000 is a closer reality than a lot of us expect. There is just too much liquidity in the market - the U.S. Federal Reserve, the European Central Bank, and the Bank of Japan are all going on unprecendented monetary easing - chasing yields. Most of the capital gains is made at the tail end of a bull run. 20-25% is not uncommon.

Is it risky to stay invested? Undoubtedly. Is it worth the risk? That would vary depending on your risk appetite and stage of your life cycle. For me, I have not sold anything even though some of my counters are at, or even exceeded, their 52 weeks high.