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(10-10-2012, 10:06 PM)money Wrote: bad deal to buy from a private equity, challenger makes more sense

Assume required return of market is 10%, so if an asset book is $10 throws out $1 cashflow ie $1/$10= 10%, the asset is worth $10.

A PE takes $5 out and leverage it by $5 means book is now only $5 but asset still throws out $1 cashflow means $1/$5= 20% return so you would pay 2X book ie $10 for it.

In both cases above, an "investor" is indifferent to 10% return.

Hence this is how financial engineering works and why have to be careful buying from PE. Somebody is paying for the $5 that the PE took out before IPO. That's why value investing looks at unleverage ROIC.
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Courts Asia - by freedom - 29-09-2012, 09:45 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by CityFarmer - 29-09-2012, 01:19 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by pianist - 29-09-2012, 03:08 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by money - 30-09-2012, 10:18 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by CityFarmer - 29-09-2012, 05:35 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by shanrui_91 - 30-09-2012, 11:22 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by CityFarmer - 01-10-2012, 10:25 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by pianist - 30-09-2012, 11:40 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by yeokiwi - 01-10-2012, 11:45 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by VestedInterest - 01-10-2012, 11:27 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by dzwm87 - 01-10-2012, 12:08 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by evilbdboi - 02-10-2012, 08:55 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by dzwm87 - 02-10-2012, 10:37 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by CityFarmer - 02-10-2012, 11:38 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by dzwm87 - 02-10-2012, 11:44 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by pianist - 08-10-2012, 10:47 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by camelking - 08-10-2012, 11:59 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by shanrui_91 - 09-10-2012, 08:21 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by wee - 09-10-2012, 10:14 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by camelking - 09-10-2012, 10:46 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by dzwm87 - 09-10-2012, 11:12 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by CityFarmer - 09-10-2012, 11:30 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by D123 - 09-10-2012, 04:42 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by dzwm87 - 09-10-2012, 04:51 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by KopiKat - 09-10-2012, 06:02 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by yeokiwi - 09-10-2012, 06:20 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by CityFarmer - 09-10-2012, 09:47 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by shanrui_91 - 09-10-2012, 10:07 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by yeokiwi - 09-10-2012, 10:42 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by money - 10-10-2012, 10:06 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by CityFarmer - 11-10-2012, 09:32 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by specuvestor - 11-10-2012, 12:08 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by level13 - 13-10-2012, 03:08 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by CityFarmer - 13-10-2012, 06:45 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by specuvestor - 14-10-2012, 12:36 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by specuvestor - 19-02-2013, 08:46 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by specuvestor - 12-04-2013, 03:37 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by D123 - 14-10-2012, 01:12 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by CityFarmer - 14-10-2012, 03:32 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by KopiKat - 14-10-2012, 04:15 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by CityFarmer - 14-10-2012, 09:18 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by newyorkcityboy - 14-10-2012, 02:13 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by freedom - 14-10-2012, 03:20 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by CityFarmer - 15-10-2012, 05:12 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by investingsgx - 15-10-2012, 08:18 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by CityFarmer - 17-10-2012, 05:39 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by KopiKat - 17-10-2012, 08:13 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by KopiKat - 18-10-2012, 10:44 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by KopiKat - 18-10-2012, 11:20 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by KopiKat - 19-10-2012, 10:48 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by pianist - 21-10-2012, 12:25 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by KopiKat - 21-10-2012, 10:24 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by money - 18-10-2012, 12:09 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by KopiKat - 18-10-2012, 01:51 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by propertyinvestor - 18-10-2012, 03:03 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by money - 19-10-2012, 01:34 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by VestedInterest - 19-10-2012, 08:07 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by Musicwhiz - 17-10-2012, 05:42 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by freedom - 18-10-2012, 10:30 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by wsreader - 19-10-2012, 12:25 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by freedom - 19-10-2012, 12:28 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by wsreader - 19-10-2012, 12:53 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by CityFarmer - 20-10-2012, 11:39 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by pianist - 21-10-2012, 10:45 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by KopiKat - 21-10-2012, 11:00 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by CityFarmer - 21-10-2012, 11:33 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by pianist - 21-10-2012, 12:36 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by propertyinvestor - 21-10-2012, 12:40 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by dzwm87 - 24-10-2012, 11:09 AM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by D123 - 24-10-2012, 12:01 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by CityFarmer - 24-10-2012, 03:27 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by CityFarmer - 30-10-2012, 12:04 PM
RE: Courts Asia (IPO) - by CityFarmer - 01-11-2012, 10:53 PM
RE: Courts Asia - by newyorkcityboy - 13-11-2012, 08:41 AM
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RE: Courts Asia - by newyorkcityboy - 13-11-2012, 10:51 AM
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RE: Courts Asia - by CityFarmer - 13-11-2012, 07:55 PM
RE: Courts Asia - by CityFarmer - 22-11-2012, 08:06 PM
RE: Courts Asia - by Bibi - 22-11-2012, 10:13 PM
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RE: Courts Asia - by CityFarmer - 01-12-2012, 11:45 AM
RE: Courts Asia - by Nick - 27-12-2012, 12:36 PM
RE: Courts Asia - by felixleong - 15-02-2013, 09:14 AM
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RE: Courts Asia - by pianist - 13-03-2013, 11:57 PM
RE: Courts Asia - by level13 - 14-03-2013, 09:59 AM
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RE: Courts Asia - by mobo - 14-03-2013, 06:26 PM
RE: Courts Asia - by felixleong - 15-03-2013, 10:45 AM
RE: Courts Asia - by CityFarmer - 25-03-2013, 08:22 PM
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RE: Courts Asia - by CityFarmer - 18-04-2013, 10:33 AM
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RE: Courts Asia - by felixleong - 24-04-2013, 06:59 PM
RE: Courts Asia - by felixleong - 25-04-2013, 08:59 AM
RE: Courts Asia - by dzwm87 - 25-04-2013, 10:04 AM
RE: Courts Asia - by CityFarmer - 25-04-2013, 11:21 AM
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RE: Courts Asia - by felixleong - 29-05-2013, 09:00 AM
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