Tan Tock Seng Hospital dismisses blogger Roy Ngerng

(10-06-2014, 10:34 PM)egghead Wrote: Another CSJ in the making

I cant remember if CSJ got any donations but roy seems quite successful in collecting donations. This may be a serious turning point in the singapore context because roy would not go bankrupt since donations flood in non-stop. And more importantly when people are unhappy, they want someone to voice it out, and we have a ready-made blogger that is more than willing to do so

I wonder if there will be more goodies to appease the unhappy people before 2016

(11-06-2014, 10:02 AM)Ben Wrote: Roy’s action is like playing with fire, there is a Chinese saying 老虎嘴边拔毛. I hope society can give this young man a second chance in life and this young man learn to be responsible in his action.

I do believe on second chance. Wasn't a second chance given, but Roy has chosen to ignore it?

It seems this country is getting more divided , definitely not a healthy sign if the roots of the cause are not rectified .

(11-06-2014, 10:19 AM)safetyfirst Wrote:

(10-06-2014, 10:34 PM)egghead Wrote: Another CSJ in the making

I cant remember if CSJ got any donations but roy seems quite successful in collecting donations. This may be a serious turning point in the singapore context because roy would not go bankrupt since donations flood in non-stop. And more importantly when people are unhappy, they want someone to voice it out, and we have a ready-made blogger that is more than willing to do so

I wonder if there will be more goodies to appease the unhappy people before 2016

I do not want to belittle or doubt those donors, I hope they have good intention. It is regretful if people give hoping to see a good show in play. This will give a false hope to Roy N, justifying his actions and no one is a winner at the end of the day. Our country don’t need such publicity.

(11-06-2014, 10:22 AM)CityFarmer Wrote:

(11-06-2014, 10:02 AM)Ben Wrote: Roy’s action is like playing with fire, there is a Chinese saying 老虎嘴边拔毛. I hope society can give this young man a second chance in life and this young man learn to be responsible in his action.

I do believe on second chance. Wasn't a second chance given, but Roy has chosen to ignore it?

I guess it is not pain enough yet for him to learn.

(11-06-2014, 10:35 AM)Ben Wrote:

(11-06-2014, 10:22 AM)CityFarmer Wrote:

(11-06-2014, 10:02 AM)Ben Wrote: Roy’s action is like playing with fire, there is a Chinese saying 老虎嘴边拔毛. I hope society can give this young man a second chance in life and this young man learn to be responsible in his action.

I do believe on second chance. Wasn't a second chance given, but Roy has chosen to ignore it?

I guess it is not pain enough yet for him to learn.

Roy must be inspired by the taiwanese students who occupied the parliament building earlier on....

Since this is a forum about value stock, i would like to recommend a counter for ROY the Zero : Second Chance (528). He needs it now.....

(11-06-2014, 09:54 AM)Greenrookie Wrote:

(11-06-2014, 08:35 AM)opmi Wrote:

(11-06-2014, 08:11 AM)Greenrookie Wrote: Very bad call by TTSH, in terms of political damage to PAP. I seriously think it is a over zealous supporter that made a miscalculated move. Whether justifiable or not, the sacking is just going to swell the negative sentiments further and bring anxiety to people in the middle ground not caught in this whole issue.

So the easy thing for TTSH to do is treat Roy like a 'VIP' just because it is 'politically sensitive' to sack him, even if there is reasonable grounds to do so???

TTSH just have to justify their actions publicly. No need to scared here scared there. If not, affect staff morale and discipline. Cannot give in to those who makes/KP the most noise. (Except when you are shareholder/owner in listed company scenarios. Hahah) If you incentivize this type of behaviour, you will get more of the same.

Hi Opmi,

I am not sure how easy it is to fire someone at govt-run hospital. In some sector of the civil service u can't give an E grade without giving a D grade, and you can't give a D grade without telling him or her what is lacking so that he/ her has 6 months to pull up her socks. Of course, if someone broke the law, then its different. Did te blogger broke the law yet? And the reason cited for dismissal? Is there evidence of warnings?

How long has his blog nonsense come out in the open? Heavy hand to me if u ask me. Also, u can only fire someone 3 months after E grade.

I am not from civil service sector, but the 3-6 months period is the norm for incompetence staff, a second chance is given within first 3 months, and follows by another 3 months to reach final decision.

But it is a totally different story for misconduct, as in this case. I assume civil service sector has similar practice.

(11-06-2014, 09:28 AM)CityFarmer Wrote:

(11-06-2014, 12:55 AM)specuvestor Wrote: I think it is totally under TTSH prerogative to fire him when he has been given a warning and continue to do his likely highly time consuming stuff at work

However what I am shocked is this statement: In particular, they cannot defame someone else without basis, which essentially means knowingly stating a falsehood to the public," it stated.

AFAIK the court haven't decided on the merit of the case. This kind of statement brings back old memories. Though like i posted i think Roy deserve it, but one should be presumed legally innocent until proven guilty. TTSH basically 画蛇添足 putting its own self in a spot if Roy has the capacity to sue on wrongful dismissal on wrongful presumption

I didn't follow the case closely, but IIRC, Roy did make public apology, and acknowledged the baseless defamation. TTSH is fully justify to make the statement, IMO.

The court case is not on the defamation, but the compensation, right?

It is about defamation: see my post in another thread
1a Roy took down post
1b Instead posted summary of what he posted before and made a video (?)
1c Offered $5k compensation

http://www.valuebuddies.com/thread-5216-...l#pid85621

(11-06-2014, 09:52 AM)level13 Wrote:

(11-06-2014, 08:35 AM)opmi Wrote:

(11-06-2014, 08:11 AM)Greenrookie Wrote: Very bad call by TTSH, in terms of political damage to PAP. I seriously think it is a over zealous supporter that made a miscalculated move. Whether justifiable or not, the sacking is just going to swell the negative sentiments further and bring anxiety to people in the middle ground not caught in this whole issue.

So the easy thing for TTSH to do is treat Roy like a 'VIP' just because it is 'politically sensitive' to sack him, even if there is reasonable grounds to do so???

TTSH just have to justify their actions publicly. No need to scared here scared there. If not, affect staff morale and discipline. Cannot give in to those who makes/KP the most noise. (Except when you are shareholder/owner in listed company scenarios. Hahah) If you incentivize this type of behaviour, you will get more of the same.

Agree. Any company/organisation worth their salt would have done the same thing. Whether its Roy or anyone else or actions leading up to this sacking is immaterial.

If you are the boss, what do you do to a staff who is doing something else besides what he/she is hired to do?

Give warning and if still dont comply then sack. Isn't this what TTSH has done? And i am sure they will have all the evidence to back their actions.

Agree with opmi and Level13. My issue as I described above is that it is very obvious to any observer that someone in TTSH is trying too hard to please... and now of course we have this:

(11-06-2014, 10:02 AM)Behappyalways Wrote: LEONG SZE HIAN: WHY IS TTSH CLAIMING THAT ROY DEFAMED PM LEE EVEN BEFORE COURT RULING?
http://www.therealsingapore.com/content/...urt-ruling

(11-06-2014, 01:37 AM)Big Toe Wrote: Interesting one.
Roy MAY have the capacity to sue for wrongful dismissal. But what are the chances of winning? 0.000001%? 0.000002%?

Big Toe I agree... that's why I said "capacity to sue" This flaw in the system is obvious in the case of NKF TT Durai where the accuser that said Durai flew first class had to make a public apology. We all know the NKF saga how it unfolded when Durai tried to pull the same stunt on SPH.

So does Roy has the capacity to sue TTSH for distorting the judicial process? Depends if he can raise another $100k I guess

In investment, the most obvious example locally is Oei Hoong Leong who has the capacity to play the legal arena

Who can not see it coming-The SACKING? But TTSH has fumbled in the process. Maybe too eager to please the ATAS.

Quote:I think it is totally under TTSH prerogative to fire him when he has been given a warning and continue to do his likely highly time consuming stuff at work

However what I am shocked is this statement: In particular, they cannot defame someone else without basis, which essentially means knowingly stating a falsehood to the public," it stated.

AFAIK the court haven't decided on the merit of the case. This kind of statement brings back old memories. Though like i posted i think Roy deserve it, but one should be presumed legally innocent until proven guilty. TTSH basically 画蛇添足 putting its own self in a spot if Roy has the capacity to sue on wrongful dismissal on wrongful presumption