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Ya lor, have to wait till end of Jan to see what's OCBC final play.
I think it would likely take off, just a matter of how many times book value OCBC is paying (looks like 1.7 to 2 times)
and also if its paying by cash, what rights issue with be
or if its paying with cash+shares (lower probability)
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I think if OCBC can get it at a fair price of say 1.8x book value, would be great for shareholders. Anything 2x or higher is really not worth it, I would rather they pay our their excess cash(Sale proceeds of APB & FNN) as dividends.
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It seems OCBC is the only interested buyer, why are others not interested in this HK bank ?
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07-01-2014, 09:59 PM
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Maybe because HK is a very competitive market, low margins(lower than sg banks) and low ROE(9-10%)?
Basically the idea of acquiring a HK bank would be to help spring board into the Chinese Yuen market.
However its said that the Shanghai Free Trade Zone will be ready in maybe 2-3 years time, in which such an acquisition would not be needed if one is willingly to wait.
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(07-01-2014, 09:59 PM)felixleong Wrote: Maybe because HK is a very competitive market, low margins(lower than sg banks) and low ROE(9-10%)?
Basically the idea of acquiring a HK bank would be to help spring board into the Chinese Yuen market.
However its said that the Shanghai Free Trade Zone will be ready in maybe 2-3 years time, in which such an acquisition would not be needed if one is willingly to wait.
Shanghai FTZ is readied, and started. Isn't it?
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07-01-2014, 10:29 PM
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Ya Shanghai FTZ was launched late of last year.
Sorry I meant the establishment of Shanghai FTZ into the main Yuen trading hub within the next 2-3 years time.
In which Shanghai FTZ would also be a very fierce competitor against HK.
Basically you got 2 choice, either do an acquisition to go straight into the Yuen Trading market or
you setup yourself from scratch in Shanghai FTZ which will definitely take a lot of time.
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07-01-2014, 11:33 PM
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If I didn't recall wrongly GE pays its policyholders 7/8 of all profits (could be wrong if tested by an accountant), not sure if it includes special dividends; shareholders get 1/8 only...
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Why each time a Local bank wants to buy another bank in another country, its price will drop?
Looks like the Market is made out of short -term traders much, much more than value investors.
Is there an exception when a Local bank's price rises, when it wants to buy another bank in another country?
Any long-term investor in the market?
How many years then can considered as a long term investor?
And when the Local bank fails in its buying bid, its price will usually rise back to its pre-bidding time(presuming Market index still hovers around the same narrow band).
Shall i buy OCBC now and hope it will fail in its bidding?
(Making a quick buck or for long-term?)
Or buying OCBC after it succeeded in its bidding. (Its price will usually goes down.)
For me:
Actually there are only 3 main considerations.
1) Is Wing Hang bank worth to buy?
2)If it's worth to buy then at what price is it worthy?
3)What's the price i am willing to buy OCBC before OCBC's announcement of buying Wing hang?
If not willing to buy, then why bother now? Is anything change that consider buying?
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2) Rule # 2, refer to # 1.
3) Not until you can manage your emotions, you can manage your money.
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B) You can control RISK (to a certain level, hopefully only.) But definitely not the outcome of the Return.
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