DPM Teo: Latest high profile CPIB case 'particularly serious'

Ever since casino started its operations, such cases are more prominent. We have no idea how much damage can gambling affect our social fabric. Do we really need a casino?

(25-07-2013, 11:58 AM)specuvestor Wrote:

(25-07-2013, 11:01 AM)brattzz Wrote:

(25-07-2013, 06:50 AM)yeokiwi Wrote:

Quote:i am wondering what is really happening to our public service's integrity and sense of purpose?

Public services are made up of sons and daughters of Singapore. And, these sons and daughters are raised by the Singaporean parents that pass them the moral values.
So, in general, the failures of the public service's integrity are traced back to the parents.
And the ultimate question is, did the parents do their job in educating the kids?

You can't expect an employer to assess a young aspiring man/woman of their integrity in three interviews. Or teach them moral values at the age of 25, 35 or 45.

I have to agree on this... sadly, our daughters and sons of singapore are slowly being eroded on core values...due to many economical reasons...

Maybe singapore has started losing it's singaporean core some years back.... now it's starting to show...

:O

Agree. But leaders set the culture. The idea of casinos and focus on PnL (ie what's in it for me) during the Goh era eroded the values, or the so-called confucius values, which we built up. The influx of foreigners basically destroyed the gracious society and courtesy campaigns of 40 years. Policy making is extremely important.

The principles have to be right in the first place, which is what camelking is saying. Wrong principles with short term gain will lead to long tern pain.

i dun quite agree with what yeokiwi said "Public services are made up of sons and daughters of Singapore. And, these sons and daughters are raised by the Singaporean parents that pass them the moral values"
I know of quite a few young civil servants can be pr or new citizens - they are not raised by sg parents nor grew up here. agree with specuvestor that it is the leaders who set the tone and values and principles..if they are money-faced, gdp faced at the top, how can one expect a junior civil servant to have a different value with their leaders?

(25-07-2013, 10:25 PM)pianist Wrote:

(25-07-2013, 11:58 AM)specuvestor Wrote:

(25-07-2013, 11:01 AM)brattzz Wrote:

(25-07-2013, 06:50 AM)yeokiwi Wrote:

Quote:i am wondering what is really happening to our public service's integrity and sense of purpose?

Public services are made up of sons and daughters of Singapore. And, these sons and daughters are raised by the Singaporean parents that pass them the moral values.
So, in general, the failures of the public service's integrity are traced back to the parents.
And the ultimate question is, did the parents do their job in educating the kids?


You can't expect an employer to assess a young aspiring man/woman of their integrity in three interviews. Or teach them moral values at the age of 25, 35 or 45.

I have to agree on this... sadly, our daughters and sons of singapore are slowly being eroded on core values...due to many economical reasons...

Maybe singapore has started losing it's singaporean core some years back.... now it's starting to show...

:O

Agree. But leaders set the culture. The idea of casinos and focus on PnL (ie what's in it for me) during the Goh era eroded the values, or the so-called confucius values, which we built up. The influx of foreigners basically destroyed the gracious society and courtesy campaigns of 40 years. Policy making is extremely important.

The principles have to be right in the first place, which is what camelking is saying. Wrong principles with short term gain will lead to long tern pain.

i dun quite agree with what yeokiwi said "Public services are made up of sons and daughters of Singapore. And, these sons and daughters are raised by the Singaporean parents that pass them the moral values"
I know of quite a few young civil servants can be pr or new citizens - they are not raised by sg parents nor grew up here. agree with specuvestor that it is the leaders who set the tone and values and principles..if they are money-faced, gdp faced at the top, how can one expect a junior civil servant to have a different value with their leaders?

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(25-07-2013, 10:36 PM)yewkim Wrote:

(25-07-2013, 10:25 PM)pianist Wrote:

(25-07-2013, 11:58 AM)specuvestor Wrote:

(25-07-2013, 11:01 AM)brattzz Wrote:

(25-07-2013, 06:50 AM)yeokiwi Wrote: Public services are made up of sons and daughters of Singapore. And, these sons and daughters are raised by the Singaporean parents that pass them the moral values.
So, in general, the failures of the public service's integrity are traced back to the parents.
And the ultimate question is, did the parents do their job in educating the kids?


You can't expect an employer to assess a young aspiring man/woman of their integrity in three interviews. Or teach them moral values at the age of 25, 35 or 45.

I have to agree on this... sadly, our daughters and sons of singapore are slowly being eroded on core values...due to many economical reasons...

Maybe singapore has started losing it's singaporean core some years back.... now it's starting to show...

:O

Agree. But leaders set the culture. The idea of casinos and focus on PnL (ie what's in it for me) during the Goh era eroded the values, or the so-called confucius values, which we built up. The influx of foreigners basically destroyed the gracious society and courtesy campaigns of 40 years. Policy making is extremely important.

The principles have to be right in the first place, which is what camelking is saying. Wrong principles with short term gain will lead to long tern pain.

i dun quite agree with what yeokiwi said "Public services are made up of sons and daughters of Singapore. And, these sons and daughters are raised by the Singaporean parents that pass them the moral values"
I know of quite a few young civil servants can be pr or new citizens - they are not raised by sg parents nor grew up here. agree with specuvestor that it is the leaders who set the tone and values and principles..if they are money-faced, gdp faced at the top, how can one expect a junior civil servant to have a different value with their leaders?

They are adult, out of parent control, if they chose to be bad, there is nothing the parent can do.

Nothing much to do with leaders, parents or nationality.

Deep down, most humans are greedy by nature.

Sigh.......

I shall criticize myself here.

When I first started dividend investing, achieving $200 per month felt like an accomplishment. Then, I wanted more.

After achieving $500 per month, I still wanted more.

Even now, I am getting around $1000+ per month in dividends, I still want more!

Sigh......human nature is scary......

(25-07-2013, 10:50 PM)Dividend Warrior Wrote: Nothing much to do with leaders, parents or nationality.

Deep down, most humans are greedy by nature.

Sigh.......

I shall criticize myself here.

When I first started dividend investing, achieving $200 per month felt like an accomplishment. Then, I wanted more.

After achieving $500 per month, I still wanted more.

Even now, I am getting around $1000+ per month in dividends, I still want more!

Sigh......human nature is scary......

The difference is that you know where the line is and not cross it.

i think the worse case will be if it happens; even though they are paid millions (Guaranteed for 5 years terms regardless of "country performance"), one of them or some of them dip into our "National Reserve". Then it will come true the Chinese saying:- "If the main beam of the house is not straight, then how can lesser beams be not crooked.
Hope it will never happens in Singapore. Actually it happened a few cases during OLD MAN watch. i think that is one of the main reasons OLD MAN said leaders must be million dollar salaried to keep them from being corrupted. How many of us have been convinced? By last GE result i think 60% did. No excuse whatsoever.

(26-07-2013, 06:10 PM)Temperament Wrote: i think the worse case will be if it happens; even though they are paid millions (Guaranteed for 5 years terms regardless of "country performance"), one of them or some of them dip into our "National Reserve". Then it will come true the Chinese saying:- "If the main beam of the house is not straight, then how can lesser beams be not crooked.
Hope it will never happens in Singapore. Actually it happened a few cases during OLD MAN watch. i think that is one of the main reasons OLD MAN said leaders must be million dollar salaried to keep them from being corrupted. How many of us have been convinced? By last GE result i think 60% did. No excuse whatsoever.

So using this logic can we say robbers rob because they desperate for money so we should just ignore them and continue to allow them to rob people until they satisfied then they will stop?

likewise same with treating heroin addicts because they crave the high, so we mind our own business but also keep giving them more heroin until they feel satisfied then they will stop right?

(27-07-2013, 02:29 PM)sgd Wrote:

(26-07-2013, 06:10 PM)Temperament Wrote: i think the worse case will be if it happens; even though they are paid millions (Guaranteed for 5 years terms regardless of "country performance"), one of them or some of them dip into our "National Reserve". Then it will come true the Chinese saying:- "If the main beam of the house is not straight, then how can lesser beams be not crooked.
Hope it will never happens in Singapore. Actually it happened a few cases during OLD MAN watch. i think that is one of the main reasons OLD MAN said leaders must be million dollar salaried to keep them from being corrupted. How many of us have been convinced? By last GE result i think 60% did. No excuse whatsoever.

So using this logic can we say robbers rob because they desperate for money so we should just ignore them and continue to allow them to rob people until they satisfied then they will stop?

likewise same with treating heroin addicts because they crave the high, so we mind our own business but also keep giving them more heroin until they feel satisfied then they will stop right?

Sound logical;
but who gives PAPIES the RUBBER STAMP in Parliament all these years? Please remember until the last GE it is still 60% of the 4K Singaporeans (or Sinkaporeans + New Citizens).