Me & My Money Series (Sunday Times)

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Looking at the series of interviews, it would seem that only about 10% to 20% of them actually teach something useful and has no "hidden agenda". Some may be even labelled as downright lousy. Then again, I guess standards are probably not set very high for this column.

Personally, I would really hate to be interviewed about my (supposed) wealth and be thrust into the limelight for the wrong reasons. Then again, others may have their own motivations for seeking fame and glory. Smile
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An interesting perspective to share. I was discussing with a friend the seemingly obsessive preoccupation amongst Singaporeans to use property as their wealth vehicle of choice whereas I believe that equity is the better vehicle (at least for myself). He pointed out that I really should not be complaining about it. As Fred C. Kelly put it "The crowd always loses because the crowd is always wrong. It is wrong because it behaves normally." Normally, people like to look for a consensus of expert opinion and then back that consensus.

So the key to our (continued) success is largely turned on our ability to not do what everyone else is doing. I therefore humbly suggest that we tune out the property market for the time being and concentrate on the equity market instead. And when this Sunday Times column start interviewing stock market geniuses on a weekly basis, then and only then should we start looking at picking up some property.
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(09-04-2013, 09:02 AM)nsengkia Wrote: An interesting perspective to share. I was discussing with a friend the seemingly obsessive preoccupation amongst Singaporeans to use property as their wealth vehicle of choice whereas I believe that equity is the better vehicle (at least for myself). He pointed out that I really should not be complaining about it. As Fred C. Kelly put it "The crowd always loses because the crowd is always wrong. It is wrong because it behaves normally." Normally, people like to look for a consensus of expert opinion and then back that consensus.

I also have a perspective to share though - which is that actual people have purchased and made significant money on real estate, using leverage as their tool. Therefore, it becomes the case that the "consensus" (if it can be labelled as such) may be right now and then, and it becomes the accepted norm that if you are smart and/or savvy, you can make significant money on property. I guess this may explain the seeming "obssession".

That said, I think this real estate fanaticism is tough to cool. Even my parents are asking me - why don't you buy real estate instead of investing in equities? People are making so much more money on real estate. I just roll my eyes. Rolleyes
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(09-04-2013, 09:13 AM)Musicwhiz Wrote:
(09-04-2013, 09:02 AM)nsengkia Wrote: An interesting perspective to share. I was discussing with a friend the seemingly obsessive preoccupation amongst Singaporeans to use property as their wealth vehicle of choice whereas I believe that equity is the better vehicle (at least for myself). He pointed out that I really should not be complaining about it. As Fred C. Kelly put it "The crowd always loses because the crowd is always wrong. It is wrong because it behaves normally." Normally, people like to look for a consensus of expert opinion and then back that consensus.

I also have a perspective to share though - which is that actual people have purchased and made significant money on real estate, using leverage as their tool. Therefore, it becomes the case that the "consensus" (if it can be labelled as such) may be right now and then, and it becomes the accepted norm that if you are smart and/or savvy, you can make significant money on property. I guess this may explain the seeming "obssession".

That said, I think this real estate fanaticism is tough to cool. Even my parents are asking me - why don't you buy real estate instead of investing in equities? People are making so much more money on real estate. I just roll my eyes. Rolleyes

The way I see the property market is that it is like approaching 1997, with the expectation of a huge influx of foreigners driving up the price. What if it not happening? What if the govt "listens" to the people
and decide with reduce the number? What if the inflow is unable to fill up the empty new properties? What if the income of these inflow is unable to pay for such high rentals that landlord is asking?
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"What the wise man does in the beginning, the fool does in the end."
-Warren Buffett
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(09-04-2013, 12:58 PM)egghead Wrote: "What the wise man does in the beginning, the fool does in the end."
-Warren Buffett

One of the undying words of wisdom.
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Be patience Whiz, we are in the infancy stage of secular bull market. Give the bull some time, market will rally.

(09-04-2013, 09:13 AM)Musicwhiz Wrote:
(09-04-2013, 09:02 AM)nsengkia Wrote: An interesting perspective to share. I was discussing with a friend the seemingly obsessive preoccupation amongst Singaporeans to use property as their wealth vehicle of choice whereas I believe that equity is the better vehicle (at least for myself). He pointed out that I really should not be complaining about it. As Fred C. Kelly put it "The crowd always loses because the crowd is always wrong. It is wrong because it behaves normally." Normally, people like to look for a consensus of expert opinion and then back that consensus.

I also have a perspective to share though - which is that actual people have purchased and made significant money on real estate, using leverage as their tool. Therefore, it becomes the case that the "consensus" (if it can be labelled as such) may be right now and then, and it becomes the accepted norm that if you are smart and/or savvy, you can make significant money on property. I guess this may explain the seeming "obssession".

That said, I think this real estate fanaticism is tough to cool. Even my parents are asking me - why don't you buy real estate instead of investing in equities? People are making so much more money on real estate. I just roll my eyes. Rolleyes
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I don't really know where to start - I believe if his wife didn't start managing his finances for him, he would be digging a big hole for himself with his spending habits. Luxury watches, sports cars and other "bling" don't exactly show him up to be an expert at managing his own money. In fact, he even alludes to lottery being an investment!

But he was lucky too in a sense - he brought Old Town White Coffee to Singapore and it has flourished (even though I don't like the food or drink there!). So he should be earning handsome returns from that, plus his own comic acting is still somewhat in demand (yes I just watched his acting silly on Okto with my daughter).

But the interview does sound like his trademark "Ah Beng" replies, haha!

The Straits Times
www.straitstimes.com
Published on Apr 14, 2013
me & my money
Funnyman Mark Lee knows his business

Local celebrity used to spend freely but now keeps a close eye on value and bottom line

By Joyce Teo

Local celebrity Mark Lee, 44, always pays for his meals when he dines at OldTown White Coffee, even though he is the co-founder, having brought the Malaysian chain to Singapore in 2008.

Mr Lee may be known as a host-comedian to most people, but he is very serious when it comes to business.

When he got the Malaysian firm behind OldTown to team up with him, he got cracking. "Within three months, I chose East Coast Park for our first shop. I told them to trust me, it's a good location.

"We invested $300,000 in the first shop and just kept rolling the profits (to open other outlets)."

At that time, Mr Lee, who has been called Singapore's favourite Ah Beng, already had another business - he co-owns the Monsoon Group, which runs nine hair salons here and two in Shanghai.

So, he says: "I got a manager, gave him some shares, and said, 'Don't tell me about the staff quarrelling... You just handle it yourself. If (the staff) want higher pay, I will say give me higher sales. If you can give me what I want, I will give you what you want.'"

At the hair salons, when his wife told him that a staff member was getting a high $10,000 commission, he had no problem with it. "I said take $30,000 or $40,000. Because if they earn more commission, it means I make more profit."

But Mr Lee is first and foremost an actor, and most of the time he focuses on Galaxy Entertainment, a production and artist management firm that he co-founded. He is also a producer and director.

He has appeared in various movies, including the 1998 runaway box-office hit Money No Enough, along with other hits such as I Not Stupid and Ah Long Pte Ltd.

His new movie Judgement Day is due for release this Thursday. He started filming before he got investors on board. "I have confidence that it will work, but it was very tough for the team. So I said, 'Okay, I won't do it again.'"

He is married to Ms Catherine Ng, 39, who handles his finances as well as those of his hair salon and cafe businesses. They have two children, Calista, who turns five in July, and Maksonn, one. A third one is on the way.

Q: Are you a spender or saver?

A spender, but I'm trying to spend less since the kids arrived. I need to save more for a rainy day.

I spend on cars, branded bags and clothes, and watches. For me, everything has no price. It's whether you like it or not. If you like a Birkin bag, then it has value to you.

Even now, people tell me: Wah, Mark, you earn a lot of money.

I tell them I have only $2,000 to $3,000 to spend, including on petrol.

Previously, I managed my own expenses, and at the end of every month, I would have nothing left.

So now, my wife, who helps me look after the accounts at OldTown and Monsoon, gives me a lump sum every month and I use it to pay off the mortgage, our kids' education and so on.

Q: How much do you charge to your credit cards every month?

About $2,000 to $3,000.

I used to spend $6,000 to $7,000, or up to $20,000 to $30,000 when I travelled. When MediaCorp asked me to do programmes in Europe, I would get very excited as I could get branded goods at a lower price there.

After that, I didn't want to open my letterbox to get the bills.

Now, I spend less. I recently saw a Louis Vuitton sling bag in Paris selling for $1,000 less than in Singapore. It's very Mark Lee, but I told the salesgirl it's not suitable for me. My wife was very surprised.

Q: What financial planning have you done for yourself?

I didn't have much insurance in the past, but when the kids came, I went to buy more.

I also collect watches and have bought 20 pieces in the past decade. It started when I bought a Lacoste watch for $700 and everyone noticed it and said it was very nice. I realised a watch can impress.

That's when I bought magazines and went to study all these brands - IWC, Panerai, et cetera. I buy most of my pieces overseas.

If I am a businessman, I will buy pieces with white gold, for example. But my main business is show business. Mark Lee, my name, is already bigger than that of my watch.

Q: Moneywise, what were your growing-up years like?

My mum was a hawker and my dad was a barber. My older brother died. I have one elder sister.

We were very poor, but my mum always told me not to be defeated by hardship.

When I was in secondary school, I did three jobs during the holidays. I helped my mum sell chee cheong fun at the kopitiam in the morning, became a coffee boy in the afternoon and helped to sell duck rice in the evening.

I saw how those people around me wanted to make more money.

Q: How did you get interested in investing?

It's a way to grow your money. But I don't buy stocks. I buy 4-D lottery numbers. I once struck the first prize.

Q: What properties do you own?

An executive condominium unit in Nuovo in Ang Mo Kio and a 2,600 sq ft condo unit in Upper Thomson.

Q: What's the most extravagant thing you have bought?

I bought a watch from Holland from a salesgirl, who was from Hong Kong, for $11,000.

When I brought it home, I realised that it looks very "girly". I've worn it just two or three times. My wife doesn't like it, so it's just sitting in the drawer.

Q: What's your retirement plan?

I've not thought much about it as there are still people who want to watch my shows.

But I am moving towards being a director, as it is a job that I can do even if I am in a wheelchair.

Ideally, when the kids are grown up, my wife and I will emigrate to Australia, to a cheerful place like the Gold Coast.

Q: Home is now...

In Nuovo, but I will move to the condo in Upper Thomson soon.

Some property bosses told me to buy a unit at The Sail back in 2004. But at that time, the price was considered very high, as it was leasehold and there was nothing in the area. After that, they asked me to buy a Sentosa Cove property. I said: "Siao, Sentosa got no bus, no supermarket, no school."

Then, a unit at The Boulevard Residence was up for sale at less than $4 million. The condo is where Fann Wong used to live.

I was in Japan and said I would take a look when I came back. But when I came back, it was gone. Now the price has doubled.

I tell myself I don't have this luck to invest in the property market. I have business luck.

Q: I drive...

A black Mercedes E250 with a Brabus body kit, which I just bought. This is very sad as I have just sold my Porsche Panamera. I bought it for $330,000, drove it for two years and sold it for a good price, $315,000.

joyceteo@sph.com.sg
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WORST AND BEST BETS

Q: What's your worst investment to date?


It's an OldTown White Coffee outlet in Toa Payoh Central. We invested $300,000 in it but the location wasn't ideal. In three years, we lost about $20,000. We have since relocated the outlet to JCube.

Q: And your best?

My businesses, as we have had offers. But I am reluctant to sell them.

Money is important but there is more to money.

When we started the hair salon business, my wife would be there at the shop manning the counter. There are a lot of memories.

And I have had people come hold my hand when I was at the OldTown outlet and when they tell me they like it, I feel very warm inside. And I think it was a great decision to bring the brand here.
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I admire this guy, from a coffee boy to a successful actor and a businessman, he must have worked very hard. Nevermind his ways to riches, everyone has his own ways, his results speak for itself. He is smart, but I hope he has declared his purchases of expensive watches from overseas and pay GST, else the IRAS may come knocking on his doors Smile. Hope he is not being too smart by opening declaring his lavish spending on expensive watches.
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Entrepreneurs, I like.
Or else no small caps to invest in...
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