China first stealth fighter?

In economics term, I could put this as defense spending in the coming years by China military industry.

If anyone has investments in Lockheed Martin, Boeing or the likes, well.. China is gonna to be a tough competitor soon, esp. to the 3rd world countries customers. Watch out for the earnings growth.

The defense industry is termed as a defensive sector, so some investors do rotate their equties allocation to defense industry during recessionary period.

PS: I don't think these photos look photoshopped to me. But given China's counterfeit history.. I am abit wary though.

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The fact that it actually has the plane on the airstrip.........says that it probably has been researching for years........

China will have their own clientele within their sphere of influence and western powers likewise. Sales done are mostly geopolitically motivated so I think changes in market share will fall to those ambivalent countries, third world or not.

Maybe we will see China jets in RSAF if we want to curry favour the Chinese? Hehe.

First customer I could think of is Pakistan.
Its not a wonder when India announced a tens of billion dollars collaboration with Russian newest stealth fighter that such an advanced China fighter is "leaked".

Arms race in East Asia coming soon. The Elephant vs the Dragon.

Place your bets gentlemen.

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Its HAWWWT..

Imagine North Korea armed with those toys...scary !

a lot of their technology are copied from various sources. They are very good at copying technology and reverse technology.

The current J10 fighter is actually technology from American F16 fighter program. The americans gave the israeli's, the israeli's "secretly" sold the entire program to China and china developed the J10. And the J10 now is being offered to embargoed countries like Iran Pakistan who are sworn enemies of Israel funny how it boomerangs back.

The israeli's were also given early very first version of patriot missile after Iraq war 1 Battery of it is still unaccounted for. It is rumoured they sold it to the chinese who got it and reverse copied the radar technology in the missile and incorporated into their new generation of stealth frigates.

It was recently reported that the chinese also copied russian technology of the SU fighter so I'm not surprised if this current stealth fighter that has the airframe of american JSF is actually from russian technology.

No doubt about the J-10 being a derivative from the Israeli Lavi fighter which by itself was derived from F-16 initially.

However to a reverse engineer a fighter as complicated as this doesn't put into place the industrial prowess and technological expertise they have.

Few countries are able to come up with their own stealth fighters. 3 in fact thus far.
USA and Russia adopted a conventional fixed wing configuration for their next gen fighters while China has gone for a delta-carnard one.

I could go on on the advantages and disadvantages for having different configurations but the main point is, we are looking at China rising as a asset creation country.

When I pointed out why Singapore is going downwards by adopting a easy path towards a service-oriented country, I mean to say our people are losing the skills to create assets.

Being a banker isn't creating assets. Neither is a mgr in IRs.
Countries not having commodities as back up should go for value creation path, at least in a partial proportion as we cannot expect the sun to be up all the way.
Value creation also incalcate a high std of education among its citizens who are proud of what the nation can achieve, instead of just being money minded.

It has 2 distinct advantages in 1. being hopeful of your nation 2. being able to know the nation can stand up strong regardless that HNW clients from China or India choose to invest in your country or not.

Anyway, I have said enough about the path we are heading towards.

Our biotech industry seems to say degree holders wash test tubes. I guess that's true.
The largest proportion of our national production output YoY is oil refining exports, baring service industries which as of 2010, is producing 75% of our national GDP.

We don't have a technological edge on any countries, we just take other countries technologies and produce something the world wants.
Is that how a nation should evolve?

Think of Germany and Sweden. They are good example of nations whose engineers are highly respected, with a high degree of value creation.

We are in a statement, going the wrong way.
But who cares right? So long as your HDB gets upgraded and your mutiple properties' value just go up and up.

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The most difficult technology for a viable fighter is the jet engine. I think till date, China is still unable to develop an indigenous turbofan engine for their fighters. There are only a few countries in this world that can produce reliable jet engine with good size-to-thrust ratio.(US, Russia, UK, France...)

Most likely, China can reverse engineer the russian engine but it cannot export fighters with RE engine.

(29-12-2010, 02:35 PM)arthur Wrote: No doubt about the J-10 being a derivative from the Israeli Lavi fighter which by itself was derived from F-16 initially.

However to a reverse engineer a fighter as complicated as this doesn't put into place the industrial prowess and technological expertise they have.

Few countries are able to come up with their own stealth fighters. 3 in fact thus far.
USA and Russia adopted a conventional fixed wing configuration for their next gen fighters while China has gone for a delta-carnard one.

I could go on on the advantages and disadvantages for having different configurations but the main point is, we are looking at China rising as a asset creation country.

When I pointed out why Singapore is going downwards by adopting a easy path towards a service-oriented country, I mean to say our people are losing the skills to create assets.

Being a banker isn't creating assets. Neither is a mgr in IRs.
Countries not having commodities as back up should go for value creation path, at least in a partial proportion as we cannot expect the sun to be up all the way.
Value creation also incalcate a high std of education among its citizens who are proud of what the nation can achieve, instead of just being money minded.

It has 2 distinct advantages in 1. being hopeful of your nation 2. being able to know the nation can stand up strong regardless that HNW clients from China or India choose to invest in your country or not.

Anyway, I have said enough about the path we are heading towards.

Our biotech industry seems to say degree holders wash test tubes. I guess that's true.
The largest proportion of our national production output YoY is oil refining exports, baring service industries which as of 2010, is producing 75% of our national GDP.

We don't have a technological edge on any countries, we just take other countries technologies and produce something the world wants.
Is that how a nation should evolve?

Think of Germany and Sweden. They are good example of nations whose engineers are highly respected, with a high degree of value creation.

We are in a statement, going the wrong way.
But who cares right? So long as your HDB gets upgraded and your mutiple properties' value just go up and up.

More picts!

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Sadly, being an Engineer in SG is a Sh** ROLE..

The Govt just open doors to every tom dick and harry and flood the entire engineering field... thus depressing the wages...

Would you feel valued as an Engineer when the govt is screwing you behind your back while promoting Engineering???

If one cannot see prospect and growth value in their profession, will there be value creation?

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J-20 has lift off on this very day.

That's the strength of China. They walk the talk and hide their strength.
And now, they are establishing a military might to face off the Yankees. But of cos, being Chinese, they would definitely be polite and will never declare this officially.

That's part of the Confucius ethics of being humble. But with a twist of "Speak softly but carry a big stick"