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Despite strong continual defence by the management , Noble still has unable to withstand the strong selling.
Hit 0.80 low today.
“risk comes from not knowing what you’re doing.”
I don’t look to jump over 7-foot bars: I look around for 1-foot bars that I can step over.
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(27-05-2015, 07:47 PM)cfa Wrote: Despite strong continual defence by the management , Noble still has unable to withstand the strong selling.
Hit 0.80 low today.

Surprising despite big boys like prudential coming in.
The thing I am scared most is not nightmares or market crashes..... Its my greed that I fear the most.

When people ask what is my target price, I never have any good answer for it because Philip Fisher said before (in Common Stock Uncommon Profit) that the best time to sell is never. Equity investment is buying into ownership, not betting slips.

The path to greatness and wealth is necessarily dangerous.... because greed is a fearsome fore that threatens your success at every step.
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The way they conduct the AGM should tell us what kind of management are they , no smoke without fire , event will unfold eventually . How long can paper covers fire ?
“risk comes from not knowing what you’re doing.”
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(28-05-2015, 09:17 AM)cfa Wrote: The way they conduct the AGM should tell us what kind of management are they , no smoke without fire , event will unfold eventually . How long can paper covers fire ?

Absolutely worrying.... Seems like share price support waning.
The thing I am scared most is not nightmares or market crashes..... Its my greed that I fear the most.

When people ask what is my target price, I never have any good answer for it because Philip Fisher said before (in Common Stock Uncommon Profit) that the best time to sell is never. Equity investment is buying into ownership, not betting slips.

The path to greatness and wealth is necessarily dangerous.... because greed is a fearsome fore that threatens your success at every step.
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Just sharing... (invested formally).


An Open Memo To Noble Group’s 15,000 Employees
CORPORATE DIGEST | 29 MAY 2015

http://www.sharesinv.com/articles/2015/0...urce=email



This post is written by Michael Dee, who has been in the investment banking scene (ex Morgan Stanley CEO SE Asia, ex Senior MD of Temasek Holdings) for more than 30 years.



As a banker for 35 years I have watched a steady deterioration in the corporate governance ecosystem since 2000. There is never just one problem in a crisis because the machinery of governance is so complex.

It is the interaction of many gears and springs like a Swiss watch and the modern financial system suffers from what I call Complexity Collapse.

The ecosystems complexity collapses when systematically weakened by each gear looking out for itself rather than the health of the entire organism.

Noble is great example of this and I am watching each element look out for itself and thus the protections for employees and minority investors are been abandoned.

In the memo below I have written not to shareholders but to employees who actually have a much greater personal stake in ensuring that Noble straightens itself out.

There is no question in my mind that Noble is able to answer the accusations made by Iceberg in a clear and comprehensive manner.

It is equally clear that Noble will not do this. Why? Iceberg has brought out some serious issues which if not addressed could lead to the collapse of Noble.

The only plausible explanation is because Iceberg has been right all along and Noble’s management are merely trying to save themselves and in the process putting the livelihoods of 15,000 people in jeopardy.

As I state below I have no personal or economic interest in this other than highlighting yet another corporate abuse of power in the hopes that employees will save themselves, from their leadership.

Memo to the 15,000 Employees of Noble Group:

I have waited until now to write you. It is about 15 weeks since Iceberg Research launched their first of three reports, and your management and board have had an ample opportunity to fulfill their promise to fully answer his charges regarding Noble’s accounting practices.

There are over 15,000 of you who have a tremendous stake in the outcome of this debate. You have families, many with children, health insurance, pensions, mortgages, careers and even investments in your companies securities.

All are riding on whether your management is telling you the truth, whether your board is taking actions to protect your source of financial security, and whether your auditor is doing their job to fully review Noble’s financial statements and that they present fairly Noble’s financial condition.

By way of background you should know that over the last five years the Dow is up over 80 percent, the Singapore STI is up over 20 percent and yet Noble is down more than 55 percent.

Thus over five years a dollar invested in the market would now be worth $1.80 while the same dollar invested in Noble is only worth $0.45. In other words, a five year investment in the Dow did four times better than Noble.

It takes a lot to so massively underperform the market and with such high volatility in the share price.

Even over 10 years the share price is down over 17 percent while the Dow is up almost 75 percent.

The inescapable conclusion is that the stewardship of Noble over the last five and 10 years has not served shareholders and employees well at all.

The market is telling you that something is very wrong at your company and I’m telling you time is running short to fix it.

As an investment banker and investor for over 30 years I have seen many such scenarios that have ended badly. Right up until they lost absolutely everything, Enron’s employees also thought they were being well served by management and their board.

Trading companies like Noble, Enron and Lehman all have a common feature, their existence depends on an uninterrupted flow of short term credit financing.

When the vendors of this short term capital stop lending bankruptcy can follow as we saw so often in the recent financial crisis and with Enron.

Markets are well suited to handle good news and bad news, however when there is a loss of trust in the news being provided crisis ensues.

This is where Noble is now with the share price down over 40 percent in the last year.

It’s easy to paint Iceberg Research, Muddy Waters or even me for that matter as the enemy to be attacked, defamed and even sued.

It is part of the routine playbook, yet it never works.

Enron did all that and even forced Merrill Lynch to fire John Olsen, the honourable research analyst who dared ask what proved to be the most prescient questions about Enron’s finances.

Yet facts are persistent things and reality cannot be fired, bullied and sued.

Right now your careers, benefits, pensions and even your reputation hangs in the balance. However, Noble’s founder, senior management, board, auditor and legal counsel are denying reality and relying on an army of PR firms to try and augment the reality.

Well it won’t work. Only straight answers to simple questions can begin to repair the damage to Noble’s share price. Even CIC, Noble’s second largest shareholder has recently sold down their position and your founder originally sold them some of those shares.

Perhaps you may say that your founder is also a major shareholder and thus your interests are aligned with his.

To that I would respond that other shareholders are not paid as handsomely by the company and are not the Chairman of the very board which decides his compensation.

How handsomely and with what perks is undisclosed. Wouldn’t it be nice if your friends decided your compensation?

I want you to know I have no economic position in this situation, am not short the stock and do not desire to see the demise of your livelyhood.

On the other hand, your management is currently practicing what I call the Octopus Theory of crisis management, squirt ink and swim away quickly.

It’s not working as a quick look at your share price makes clear. On the theory that as employees you have the most at stake and that management must listen to you as the key stakeholders, allow me to offer some advice to move your company from a deficit of trust to one of confident respectability.

Please indulge me as I offer you and Noble’s minority shareholders, my personal thoughts as to saving your company.

First, fire your PR firms and those lawyers suing Iceberg Research as Iceberg is not your problem.

Your problems and those of Noble are of management’s own making by not answering question completely and convincingly to the market, accepting blame where due, and instead engaging in diversionary tactics which have not and will not work.

Your CEO is a very smart Goldman Sachs trained banker and your current auditor, Ernst & Young (E&Y), has been your auditor for over 20 years.


CEO for Noble Group

They know the answers and how to explain them far better than the lead PR spin doctors, Bell Pottinger, whose Wikipedia page precedes them.

Noble must show the market they do not need any spin merchants to explain with clarity your financial statements and how they are prepared.

Second, specifically answer the questions which have been raised.

As a start just focus on two issues; 1) the exact details of how Noble can justify the YanCoal valuation at at level over 30 times it’s market value, and 2) fully explain why what Noble calls “inventory sales” are not in fact just repos which should be shown as debt.

Now before you try to say “Noble answered this already” just stop, because your management has not. Until proven otherwise I consider the YanCoal valuation a mythological fiction pure and simple.

I’m willing to listen and be proven wrong but only if Noble shows all the math behind the valuation model.

Anything less is just voodoo or magic, and I believe the employees and investors deserve better.

And don’t worry about ‘competitive secrets’ because Noble’s credibility is in taters and your competition is unlikely to attempt to recreate your extreme valuations anyway.

If I was an employee and saw an asset valued at 30+ times what the market valued it at I would tell my management to show their confidence and bid for the company and reap a massive return.

Management should at least show the market why they are so wrong on this asset and they are so right. After all in 2012 Yancoal traded above A$1.20 and now it’s down over 90 percent as of the recent financial release.

Who to believe? The publicly traded market price or a secret model which says it is worth 30 times more. You decide. Oh and don’t forget it used to be valued at over 50 times the market price before Iceberg correctly pointed out this disparity and Noble took a write down of US$200 million a month ago. Too little too late.

As for Noble’s “inventory sales” which Noble claims are just sales of commodity inventory to banks with no obligation to repurchase? I just don’t believe it.

I contend Noble are committed to repurchase the inventory as a source of short term debt until proven otherwise. It may sound arcane but it’s the equivalent of a pawn shop or secured lending.

Now I know you say your management says it’s contracts make it clear that repurchase is at Noble’s option. But not all legal agreements are written. Oral and tacit agreements are still agreements.

So to clear this up here’s a simple question you can ask your colleagues in the finance department. “Over the past three years how many inventory sales to banks has Noble completed and how many times has Noble not repurchased them?”

If they are actually sales and not repos then the vast majority of them would not have been repurchased. So go find out and report back because your management really doesn’t want to discuss this.

You see, the banks with whom Noble does these sales are regulated and thus their accounting must match Noble’s. I contend the risk committee and boards of the banks Noble does these with do not consider them open purchases.

I mean think about it, why would a bank be buying commodity inventory anyway? At this point you may want to google ‘Repo 105′ as it relates to Lehman Brothers as you recall the images of 20 year employees walking out of Lehman with their finances shredded and their career in a cardboard box.

Third, speaking of the now extinct Lehman Brothers, change your auditor, E&Y, who have been auditing Noble’s finances for 20 years now.

This is far, far too long. Auditors are guardians for investors and 20 years breeds too cozy a relationship. E&Y were Lehman’s auditor along with other infamous companies now defunct.

Noble says they rotate E&Y partners every five years but this is just substituting players on the same team. Your management have said E&Y doesn’t have to defend your financials, however they should defend their role in singing off on them.

Here it is instructive to review two aspects of E&Y which are relevant to establishing how much trust one should have in their work. First, as Lehman’s auditor they signed off on the earlier mentioned Repo 105.

Since then, it must be noted, E&Y has paid US$109 million in fines and penalties relating to their Lehman auditing work, including $10 million just recently paid to NY State over their role in the Lehman collapse.

“Auditors will be held accountable when they violate the law, just as they are supposed to hold the companies they audit accountable,” said New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman.

The Public Companies Accounting Oversight Board (PCAOB), an accounting watchdog established by the US Congress has recently issued scathing comments about E&Y.

As reported by the WSJ in 2012 and 2013 the PCAOB found in their review of over 100 audits that they were deficient about 50 percent of the time.

In half of the audits reviewed, “E&Y hadn’t obtained enough evidence to support its audit opinions giving its clients a clean bill of health“ as reported in the WSJ last year.

But this isn’t a recent problem, the WSJ also reported in 2011 that in over half of the E&Y deficient audits it was because “E&Y was deficient in its testing of how clients applied fair value to their hard-to-value securities”.

This is directly relevant to Iceberg’s charges. Also directly relevant is that in 2012 it was reported E&Y had paid a record US$2 million fine with the PCAOB Chairman saying; “These audit partners and E&Y — the company’s outside auditor for more than 20 years — failed to fulfill their bedrock responsibility”. Not a ringing endorsement I would say.

Fourth, Noble should be accountable and release completely detailed compensation and benefit figures for senior management including the founder, who is the Chairman and a major shareholder. There is no excuse for not disclosing what your senior management team are paid.

Fifth, Noble must focus on generating positive free cash flow from operations. Noble’s basic problem is you do not generate free cash flow from operations.

Increased dividends and share buy backs paid for with more debt may keep shareholders happy for a while but is not a strategy. It just worsens the problem and is not sustainable.

Your share price is about the same as it was 10 years ago yet your debt levels keep increasing. Just recently Noble announced negative operating cash flow of US$850 million and an increase of debt of US$900 million, in just one quarter.

It’s time to solve the problem in your business model and generate free cash flow.

Finally, as employees you must protect your own jobs and reputation. For tens of thousands of good people their name was forever stained with Enron and their finances were ruined.

Noble claims that Iceberg Research is led by a former Noble credit analyst. This actually caused me to really take notice, for if true, Iceberg should be taken even more seriously as a whistleblower.

And the more Noble sues and tries to discredit him, the more the market listens and wonders why Noble just doesn’t answer the questions.

This admission by a Noble former employee shows courage for the only way to improve things often is to go public. Sherron Watkins at Enron and Cynthia Cooper at WorldCom tried to save the 100,000 jobs at their companies and were named 2002 People of the Year by Time Magazine.

Had they been listened to in time perhaps many lives could have been saved financially.

If Noble management is unwilling to be fully transparent and answer all questions about their financials then they should not be a public company. Employees run the company, shareholders fund it and both should be treated with respect.

Iceberg has noted that many people in key financial and risk management positions have left Noble recently. Do they know something?

Are they taking proactive actions to protect their families, careers and reputations? Is there a cancer growing in Noble? If Iceberg is in fact a former employee and is warning you of the impending storm you had best take his warnings seriously.

The market has already spoken in the form of Noble’s grossly underperforming share price. The ship is taking on water, the officers are in the life boats and you have been warned.
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Should SGX or MAS look into this accusation seriously ? No smoke without fire .
“risk comes from not knowing what you’re doing.”
I don’t look to jump over 7-foot bars: I look around for 1-foot bars that I can step over.
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Trading companies like Noble, Enron and Lehman all have a common feature, their existence depends on an uninterrupted flow of short term credit financing.

This is really the crux of the whole issue. I completely agree with what previous commentators have said about issues not being addressed (especially about Yancoal). Worst, most sell side research I've seen just seem to continue cheering on the stock despite the serious doubts that have not been addressed fully.
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(30-05-2015, 02:46 PM)theasiareport Wrote: Trading companies like Noble, Enron and Lehman all have a common feature, their existence depends on an uninterrupted flow of short term credit financing.

This is really the crux of the whole issue. I completely agree with what previous commentators have said about issues not being addressed (especially about Yancoal). Worst, most sell side research I've seen just seem to continue cheering on the stock despite the serious doubts that have not been addressed fully.

Stranger still is that institutional investors still came in. Huh I suppose they are very convinced that the issues are under control. Then again, the share price still sank. Guess us retail investors won't be able to see the real "ru shan zhen mian mu".
The thing I am scared most is not nightmares or market crashes..... Its my greed that I fear the most.

When people ask what is my target price, I never have any good answer for it because Philip Fisher said before (in Common Stock Uncommon Profit) that the best time to sell is never. Equity investment is buying into ownership, not betting slips.

The path to greatness and wealth is necessarily dangerous.... because greed is a fearsome fore that threatens your success at every step.
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(01-06-2015, 12:04 PM)vesfreq Wrote:
(30-05-2015, 02:46 PM)theasiareport Wrote: Trading companies like Noble, Enron and Lehman all have a common feature, their existence depends on an uninterrupted flow of short term credit financing.

This is really the crux of the whole issue. I completely agree with what previous commentators have said about issues not being addressed (especially about Yancoal). Worst, most sell side research I've seen just seem to continue cheering on the stock despite the serious doubts that have not been addressed fully.

Stranger still is that institutional investors still came in. Huh I suppose they are very convinced that the issues are under control. Then again, the share price still sank. Guess us retail investors won't be able to see the real "ru shan zhen mian mu".


Institution monies are OPM .
“risk comes from not knowing what you’re doing.”
I don’t look to jump over 7-foot bars: I look around for 1-foot bars that I can step over.
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(01-06-2015, 01:30 PM)cfa Wrote:
(01-06-2015, 12:04 PM)vesfreq Wrote:
(30-05-2015, 02:46 PM)theasiareport Wrote: Trading companies like Noble, Enron and Lehman all have a common feature, their existence depends on an uninterrupted flow of short term credit financing.

This is really the crux of the whole issue. I completely agree with what previous commentators have said about issues not being addressed (especially about Yancoal). Worst, most sell side research I've seen just seem to continue cheering on the stock despite the serious doubts that have not been addressed fully.

Stranger still is that institutional investors still came in. Huh I suppose they are very convinced that the issues are under control. Then again, the share price still sank. Guess us retail investors won't be able to see the real "ru shan zhen mian mu".


Institution monies are OPM .

Even then, there is a moral obligation to take care of OPM and (to some extent) some degree of abstinence from unnecessary risk taking. Unless there is an absolute absence of that obligation. Its just questionable whether there is any moral obligation to handling of OPM or an absolute absence of which. Its that question that I think is interesting to understand, rather than cos its OPM.

So far, I think Michael Dee's articles have driven across a strong message about Noble. Another part of curious me wonders if Iceberg had never existed, would Michael Dee written the same or even written at all? These are tough mysteries, but enlightening to know for those waiting to enter the counter.

I mean, anyone can say OPM. Then again, what drives the market prices? Is it some value which the rest of market (and including Michael Dee) are not being able to grasp and appreciate? Just my curiousity at work. Confused Of course, we can write off everything as "OPM" and walk off, then again it doesn't hurt to know the what and the why.

Not vested at the moment.
The thing I am scared most is not nightmares or market crashes..... Its my greed that I fear the most.

When people ask what is my target price, I never have any good answer for it because Philip Fisher said before (in Common Stock Uncommon Profit) that the best time to sell is never. Equity investment is buying into ownership, not betting slips.

The path to greatness and wealth is necessarily dangerous.... because greed is a fearsome fore that threatens your success at every step.
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