MOM bars marine firm from hiring foreigners

(30-12-2014, 04:47 PM)Bibi Wrote: So the lesson learned from this fiasco is next time companies want to do the same thing, employ foreign and bind them to a 2 year contract and then off u go Sporean. Repeat the same process if caught every 2 years.

We live in a jet world with extreme cost competitiveness in many industries. When we speak in context that this companies must locate all their staffs here to enjoy significant benefits than elsewhere, then we have bargaining power. I am not sure this is.

I do know that for every dozon singaporeans they layoff, there are probably couple of dozon singaporeans still inside which are gainfully employed. We certainly do not want to take hard action to motivate companies to move elsewhere.

Be cautions on what we ask for.

Cory

(30-12-2014, 04:20 PM)thor666 Wrote: Thanks for the clarification greentea.

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It's very tricky. Given a choice, any business would want to maximize returns and have the lowest overheads relative to the business they are in. That would mean they would want to max out the quota of foreigners within the company. No exceptions whether it is a local company or MNC.

Some locals are detached from the reality and does not understand the value they provide to the company versus the cost of hiring them. Foreigners are more hungry in this respect as job prospects back in their homeland is not as bright and they will do all they can to stay here.

But on the other hand, we are sons of the soil and our grandparents toiled for this land and we ought to reap the benefits of development and not open the door to whoever wishes to enter. So some form of advantage MUST be given to the locals but it must not done at the expense making us lazier and taking jobs for granted. We are competing with the world and only the fittest will thrive, irregardless of nationality, race or religion.

(30-12-2014, 07:50 PM)corydorus Wrote: I do know that for every dozon singaporeans they layoff, there are probably couple of dozon singaporeans still inside which are gainfully employed. We certainly do not want to take hard action to motivate companies to move elsewhere.

Be cautions on what we ask for.

Cory

I beg to differ. We should motivate companies who play by the rules and our law to stay here as we have limited land and labour resources. Those who dont, we fine them heavily. If they still play punk, off they should go.

MOM by not coming down hard on such companies is telling those similar ones that dont worry, i wont make your life difficult. If u dont want to not play by our rules, its ok, i wont be too hard on u.

Doing so we are encouraging such companies to come here.

Put yourself in the situation of those sporeans still there. Wil you try to leave or still stay on? Dont forget the boss is a PRC and most employees are foreign or PRC as well and the boss actually sack away Sporean to hire their own kind or to cut cost.

Thinking from investor point of view i agree with u be careful of what one ask for. Its none of my business those sporeans suffer. Govt still get the tax they want and so hopefully wont tax me. I also happy they keep cost down. But this is morally wrong.

Employers speak of Singaporeans not having the 'right' skills.

What I do not understand is how can workers from India, Phillipines, etc can have skills that our own workers lack?

Where did they acquire the skills?
If it was acquired from their own countries, then perhaps we should be looking at our own industries or education system!

I have the impression that our industries are cutting edge stuff. That our education is equipped with state of the art simulators, and top notch curriculum to meet industry's needs!

So, ultimately its the price of labour no?

If only our SMEs and many bigger companies were to put some sweat and money into process design...

(30-12-2014, 08:58 PM)Bibi Wrote:

(30-12-2014, 07:50 PM)corydorus Wrote: I do know that for every dozon singaporeans they layoff, there are probably couple of dozon singaporeans still inside which are gainfully employed. We certainly do not want to take hard action to motivate companies to move elsewhere.

Be cautions on what we ask for.

Cory

I beg to differ. We should motivate companies who play by the rules and our law to stay here as we have limited land and labour resources. Those who dont, we fine them heavily. If they still play punk, off they should go.

MOM by not coming down hard on such companies is telling those similar ones that dont worry, i wont make your life difficult. If u dont want to not play by our rules, its ok, i wont be too hard on u.

Doing so we are encouraging such companies to come here.

Put yourself in the situation of those sporeans still there. Wil you try to leave or still stay on? Dont forget the boss is a PRC and most employees are foreign or PRC as well and the boss actually sack away Sporean to hire their own kind or to cut cost.

Thinking from investor point of view i agree with u be careful of what one ask for. Its none of my business those sporeans suffer. Govt still get the tax they want and so hopefully wont tax me. I also happy they keep cost down. But this is morally wrong.

I think is not about moral. Is about balance where locals benefits. We do not want to do action that shoot our own toes. Read Big Toe message if you find mine too direct.

Quote:Where did they acquire the skills?
If it was acquired from their own countries, then perhaps we should be looking at our own industries or education system!

Hmm... I might be wrong but it is difficult to have a population that is 100% trainable.

Taking a cohort in any year, the first 50% of them are malleable, the next 30% can be trained but may take more effort.
The last 20% is the most challenging of all.

I think equal opportunity should be given to all. But, even in an equal opportunity environment, there will be some that have great difficulties acquiring skills or simply unwilling to be trained.

I think a teacher will know this pretty well...

(30-12-2014, 08:58 PM)Bibi Wrote: Dont forget the boss is a PRC and most employees are foreign or PRC as well and the boss actually sack away Sporean to hire their own kind or to cut cost.

Who hire the Singaporeans in first place?

Looks to me that this company may be in dire financial situation to resort to such means to cut cost.

(30-12-2014, 10:28 PM)Porkbelly Wrote: Employers speak of Singaporeans not having the 'right' skills.

What I do not understand is how can workers from India, Phillipines, etc can have skills that our own workers lack?

Where did they acquire the skills?
If it was acquired from their own countries, then perhaps we should be looking at our own industries or education system!

I have the impression that our industries are cutting edge stuff. That our education is equipped with state of the art simulators, and top notch curriculum to meet industry's needs!

So, ultimately its the price of labour no?
If only our SMEs and many bigger companies were to put some sweat and money into process design...

The "problem" with Singapore is that many companies here serve the regional market. You will find that some of the solutions used in other countries are not applicable here. Examples will be Telecommunication and Transportation solutions. This is due to our size and landscape. That being the case, Singaporeans will have limited exposure and experience in certain areas compared to those from countries like Philippines and China.

(30-12-2014, 11:29 PM)touzi Wrote:

(30-12-2014, 08:58 PM)Bibi Wrote: Dont forget the boss is a PRC and most employees are foreign or PRC as well and the boss actually sack away Sporean to hire their own kind or to cut cost.

Who hire the Singaporeans in first place?

Looks to me that this company may be in dire financial situation to resort to such means to cut cost.

What makes them want or need to hire sporeans in the first place? Given a choice u think they want to?

I dont know, but if my co is in dire financial situation, i will retrench pp. Not replace pp.