Why Greece's spillover across euro area will probably be contained this time

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The negotiation remains in deadlock...

Greek minister says bailout unviable, sees election this year

ATHENS (July 13): The bailout offer being put to Greece is unviable and will require the support of opposition lawmakers or a national unity government to implement, Labour
Minister Panos Skourletis said on Monday, adding there would be a snap election this year.

Skourletis also said those lawmakers who had vetoed the terms of bailout discussions should resign.

Euro zone leaders argued late into the night with near-bankrupt Greece at an emergency summit, demanding that Athens enact key reforms this week to restore trust before they will open talks on a financial rescue.

"In different circumstances, if there was normality, if there were no capital controls and a banking problem, I would immediately say that we should go to elections," Skourletis
said.

"The measures of the forthcoming deal plan are not viable,"he said.
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/sg/article...ction-year
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CF, Greece blinked again... in the past hour Tongue

Euro zone clinches deal with Greece after all-night haggle

(01-07-2015, 09:13 PM)CityFarmer Wrote: Greece blinks first in the game...Tongue
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Now faced with harsher bail out terms.
Ball is again in Alexis Tsipras court, it would not be wrong to say referendum did nothing in this case.
Now he is faced with a huge task of enacting the laws in greek parliament and having them passed, we'll see how that turns out. Remember that he won the election because the people were fed up with the austerity measures, the mandate was to eliminate and say no to the measures. It is easier to predict what the EU would do collectively than what greece would do. A desperate man is an unpredictable/dangerous man.

The grim reality of what could possibility happen if greece is booted probably sunk into him for him to make such compromise. (or it could just be that his wife complained that she could not longer withdraw any more $ from the ATM....)
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Grexit didn't materialise this time - 2011, 2015 all failed.

I seriously doubt that the leopard will ever change its spot. Even Greece PM played poker bluff till very end as he knew that there is no way that he can steer Greece as an independent state.

Greece can adhere to whatever terms and conditions set by creditor but everyone knows that their creditability is worth less than toilet paper and hence there will be future twist and turns.

On the psychology of the financial markets, I seriously think that with the recent events in Greece and China, many market participants will be emboldened by global policy makers lack of determination to resolve ever piling problems.

It appears that these policy makers are ever ready to back stopped problems and keep on kicking the can down the road. Eventually, all these problems will snowball and become the next catalysts for future crisis?
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I have a gut feel that the saga is not ending soon. May be the parliament will reject the agreement, than may be a snap election...Tongue

Tsipras capitulates to creditors’ demands to keep Greece in euro
BRUSSELS (July 13): Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras surrendered to European demands for immediate action to qualify for up to 86 billion euros ($128.89 billion) of aid he needs to keep his country in the euro.

After a six-month offensive against austerity succeeded only in derailing Greece’s economy and deepening its financial mess, there was no face-saving compromise on offer for Tsipras at a rancorous euro-area summit that ran for more than 17 hours.

“Trust has to be rebuilt, the Greek authorities have to take on responsibility for what they agreed to,” German Chancellor Angela Merkel said after the meeting ended just before 9 am in Brussels Monday. “It now hinges on step-by-step implementation of what we agreed.”

The agreement shifts the spotlight to the parliament in Athens, where lawmakers from Tsipras’s Syriza party mutinied when he sought their endorsement for spending cuts, pensions savings and tax increases in a vote early Saturday.
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http://www.theedgemarkets.com/sg/article...reece-euro
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(13-07-2015, 08:21 PM)CityFarmer Wrote: I have a gut feel that the saga is not ending soon. May be the parliament will reject the agreement, than may be a snap election...[emoji14]

I agreed with your feel. The greeks will undoubtedly be unhappy with their PM caving in after the referendum. For vb, a window of opportunity to buy while blood is on the streets?

I need to complete my due diligence soon.. Smile

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O$P$ - doesn't matter as it is all noise from a rogue regime that is constantly feeding off well off neighbours...

Whatever it is, Greece can't repay up their debts since 19th century.

Its economics 101. Sorry but its true...

GG

(13-07-2015, 08:21 PM)CityFarmer Wrote: I have a gut feel that the saga is not ending soon. May be the parliament will reject the agreement, than may be a snap election...Tongue

Tsipras capitulates to creditors’ demands to keep Greece in euro
BRUSSELS (July 13): Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras surrendered to European demands for immediate action to qualify for up to 86 billion euros ($128.89 billion) of aid he needs to keep his country in the euro.

After a six-month offensive against austerity succeeded only in derailing Greece’s economy and deepening its financial mess, there was no face-saving compromise on offer for Tsipras at a rancorous euro-area summit that ran for more than 17 hours.

“Trust has to be rebuilt, the Greek authorities have to take on responsibility for what they agreed to,” German Chancellor Angela Merkel said after the meeting ended just before 9 am in Brussels Monday. “It now hinges on step-by-step implementation of what we agreed.”

The agreement shifts the spotlight to the parliament in Athens, where lawmakers from Tsipras’s Syriza party mutinied when he sought their endorsement for spending cuts, pensions savings and tax increases in a vote early Saturday.
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Greek deal a lesson for all
BUSINESS SPECTATOR JULY 13, 2015 6:42PM

Robert Gottliebsen

Business Spectator Columnist
Melbourne
Greece will suffer great pain from this agreement. But for Europe it means a new beginning.

The Greek bailout agreement will be good for global sharemarkets. And its impact will be enhanced by the fact that Beijing’s efforts to hold the Shanghai index steady appear to be working.

Greece and China have been the two major hazards to global sharemarkets in the last month.

Meanwhile for all countries around the world Greece is a lesson that if you borrow money to pay for pensions and spray social services around the community there will be a day of reckoning. If you keep it up, capital markets will eventually force you to pay.

This is a lesson for Australian politicians, who are currently making the same mistake as Greece and are under pressure to spend more. Australia doesn’t have high debt so we can spray money for quite a while, but eventually politicians on both sides will have to start acting in the best interests of the nation and not vested interest groups.

Returning to Europe, the deal comes as the region is engaged in one of the most ambitious stimulation projects that the world has ever seen. It does not match that which China embarked on after the GFC but it is much bigger than the quantitative easings that both the US and Japan embarked upon in recent years.

That stimulation from the ECB has accelerated the rise in European sharemarkets in the last three months but the Greek crisis caused a significant correction. On Friday, when it was believed they had a deal, European sharemarkets rose between 2.5 and 3 per cent. And once markets are confident that a deal is in place, that rise should continue.

The other advantage to Europe of the Greek deal is that it shows all the other struggling countries that they have no escape. Any thoughts they had of following the Greek path will now be disbanded.

For all its sins, the euro is almost impossible to leave. Greece found that leaving the euro would mean it would encounter a severe depression that would take a decade or two to recover from. The same applies to all other countries in the eurozone.

However, it will not be all smooth sailing from here. The bailout is being financed by Germany, and the Germans are now being dominated not by Angela Merkel but by Finance Minister Wolfgang Schauble, who is a tough hardliner of the traditional German school. In time that will create a lot of resentment in Europe. And if times get tough, could even increase the risk of military confrontation.

Although Germany has ploughed the bulk of the risky money into Greece, by locking Italy and Spain into the euro it depresses the currency and enables the efficient German manufacturing industry to make large profits.

The greatest threat to Europe in the next two years is not Greece or the problems of the eurozone, but rather Russia expansionism.

There is no doubt that the Russians want to restore their influence in Europe. Their first move has been in Ukraine but increasingly they are putting pressure on Baltic states including Poland and parts of Scandinavia.

Russia’s historic city St Petersburg is, of course, a Baltic port and Russia has always seen the countries that surround the Baltic Sea as part of its sphere of influence.

In theory, Greece was a magnificent opportunity for Russia to increase its influence in Europe, but it didn’t have the financial firepower given the falling price of oil.
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Another Conster???

Instead, Mr Tsipras drafted proposals more onerous than the ones Greeks had rejected, leaving those who backed him in the referendum scratching their heads.
“So I voted for ‘no’, but in fact it meant ‘yes’,” Ms Christoforidi said. “Is this some kind of joke?”

Greece crisis: Tougher austerity looms for dismayed voters
• MATINA STEVIS, GEORGI KANTCHEV
• THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
• JULY 14, 2015 12:00AM


Senior citizens collect their queue tickets as they wait to collect pensions outside a National Bank of Greece branch in Athens. Source: Getty Images
A week ago, Greeks partied in the streets after voting to resoundingly reject terms of a new European bailout. Now, the same streets are filled with a dazed populace struggling to understand how they are faced with a deal even tougher than the one they just snubbed.
In the summer heat in central Athens, groups of people gathered around televisions at cafes showing yesterday’s live coverage of talks in Brussels, where top Greek officials were scrambling to negotiate a last-ditch rescue.
Like Anna Christoforidi, many viewers were dismayed by the strange turnabout that could ¬result in screws being turned even tighter as a condition for Greece remaining in the eurozone.
“People are starting to lose their minds,” said Ms Christoforidi, 37, who works in a cafe, allowing her to glance at the TV. “I’m so confused myself, I talk to all the customers, we have the news on all day, but I’m at a loss.”
What started as a shock move by radical-Left Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras in the wee hours of June 27, when he pulled his negotiating team out of talks and ¬announced a referendum, has since turned into a drama of ¬Homeric proportions.
Mr Tsipras promised to use Greek voters’ overwhelming ¬rejection of creditors’ bailout ¬proposals to bring home better terms and less austerity in ¬exchange for a generous rescue package from Europe. He ¬demanded debt relief from eurozone countries.
Instead, Mr Tsipras drafted proposals more onerous than the ones Greeks had rejected, leaving those who backed him in the referendum scratching their heads.
“So I voted for ‘no’, but in fact it meant ‘yes’,” Ms Christoforidi said. “Is this some kind of joke?”
Others were relieved that the Prime Minister had pushed for an agreement, even if it was worse than what the nation had rejected. Still, they were angry that negotiations were proving so tough.
“Look, Tsipras has completely messed up in the handling of this crisis,” said lawyer Vassilis Vlastos. “I voted against the proposals in the referendum to help him get better terms, but now it seems even that wasn’t enough.
“He’s done the deed, he’s gone back to the negotiating table to sacrifice more to keep Greece in the euro, and the Germans still won’t take it. They just want us out, no matter what.”
The impact of such confusion is huge, said John Dimakis, director at Athens-based communications consultancy STR, which conducts public-opinion research.
“An alarming proportion of the Greek public is showing deeply ¬irrational behaviour, and over the past few weeks we are seeing striking contradictions between what people say they want and how they vote or who they support,” he said. “How can we decipher their preferences when they have no ¬rational basis?”
The uncertainty is also reflected in Greek politics. The government, led by leftist Syriza, effectively lost its parliamentary majority on Saturday, as several of its legislators voted against a bill to authorise Mr Tsipras to take his fresh set of proposals to negotiations with creditors in Brussels.
Syriza’s so-called Left Platform — its far-left, anti-euro faction — abstained from the vote. In a cross-party consensus rarely seen in Greek politics, Syriza won ¬support of the overwhelming ¬majority of the opposition parties, garnering the backing of 250 parliamentarians out of 300.
That is unprecedented for a radical-Left party, said Panteion University Professor Gerassimos Moschonas of the massive ¬support Syriza got from centre-right and centre-left opposition legislators. “This can be explained by the historical context of the vote: the issue at stake was about Greece staying in the euro or not, so the europhile opposition ¬parties supported Tsipras on a matter of principle for them.”
Mr Tsipras is likely to accept support from other parties for the short-term to pass legislation ¬attached to the bailout agreement. But he is unlikely to stay in power for long amid accusations of ¬betrayal from the left of his party, said two people with knowledge of the Prime Minister’s thinking.
It was more likely, they said, that he would soon seek a fresh ¬direct mandate from the Greek people.
Meanwhile, Greece’s economy has descended further into the abyss, as the country enters a third week of shut banks, capital ¬controls and suspended stockmarket trading.
“Greece’s economy has effectively ground to a standstill,” said Themis Themistocleous, head of European investment at UBS Wealth Management, which oversees $US1 trillion ($1.3 trillion) in assets.
“And if Greece exits the eurozone, it may see another 10 per cent drop in economic output.”
Greece temporarily shut its banks on June 29 to prevent its cash-strapped financial system from collapsing. It limited withdrawals at ATMs to €60 ($90) a day for each account. Greek ¬officials over the weekend suggested that even if there was a deal, the restrictions might be left in place for months.
“During the tourists season, this is proving to be a death touch to the economy,” analysts at Citigroup said in a report.
In Athens’s cafes, the fallout from the past week — in all directions — may be just beginning.
“I don’t recognise this kind of Europe that only talks about money and doesn’t talk about ¬solidarity, or values, or European ideals,” said Costas Fyssentzides, 61, an academic deep in conversation with friends. But he said he felt that, in the fray, Greeks last week might not have been told the whole truth.
“We’re not confused because we’re ignorant,” he said. “We’re confused because a lot of this doesn’t make sense.”
The Wall Street Journal
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_is_no_alternative

TINA - what can anyone expect out of any deal with rogue borrowers... apart from kicking the can further down the road and continue changes in govts, it will be damage controls until the real problem explodes...

Greece bullied into accepting deal that’ll be difficult to implement
BUSINESS SPECTATOR JULY 14, 2015 8:52AM

Alan Kohler

Business Editor at Large
Melbourne


The so-called deal over Greece that is being celebrated by markets this morning is not a deal and offers no solution to Athens’ unending crisis.

All that happened over the weekend was that the Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras was held by the ankles over the balcony until he capitulated. He went to Brussels softened up by the European Central Bank closure of Greece’s banks to be greeted by Germany publicly contemplating Greece’s exit (“time-out”) from the eurozone.

It was a brutal one-two: hard cop, hard cop. One commentator wrote that Greece was being treated like a hostile occupied state. Tsipras would have agreed to anything, and in the end, he did.

The document that he eventually signed is laughable, and while it is likely the Greek parliament will accept it on Wednesday — as required for negotiations on a deal even to BEGIN — it will never achieve public support, since it is far worse than what the people had voted against by a large margin a week before.

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The document also removes €50 billion worth of assets into a separate fund for privatisation; while Greece might be trusted to at least try to reform the economy, it isn’t trusted to privatise assets.

Apparently this was the final sticking point, the thing that Tsipras was arguing over at 6am with German Chancellor Angela Merkel after an all-nighter. Merkel wanted the €50bn to be applied to debt repayments; Tsipras refused, saying the humiliation of giving up control of so many national assets was too much.

According to the Financial Times, they were walking towards the door, having given up and accepted that Greece would have to exit the eurozone, when Donald Tusk, the President of the European Council came in and told Merkel and Tsipras they weren’t allowed to leave.

An hour later they came up with a form of words on privatisation proceeds that Tsipras could accept. Half the proceeds would be used to recapitalise the banks, a quarter for “decreasing the debt to GDP ratio” and a quarter for “investments”.

The document lays out what the “Greek offer of reform measures” must contain for negotiations on a new Memorandum of Understanding to start.

There is nothing inherently wrong with the micro-economic reforms, but they would be hard for a single-party dictatorship to implement in a hurry, let alone a divided minority governing party like Syriza.

It even goes into detail such as Sunday trade for retailers and freeing up ownership of pharmacies, milk and bakeries, as well as “rigorous … modernisation” of labour markets.

Also, the fund would be managed in Greece by the Greek authorities, but under the supervision of “the relevant European institutions”. The wording will fool nobody: €50bn in Greek assets have been repossessed by the creditors.

There are to be no debt haircuts. There may be “possible longer grace and payment periods”, as long as all the conditions in the agreement are met and will only be considered after a positive review.

Most importantly, Greece must agree to more fiscal austerity, including “quasi-automatic spending cuts in case of deviations from ambitious primary surplus targets”.

So the government must agree to a pro-cyclical fiscal policy that cuts spending automatically as economic growth slows, making the recession worse.

Austerity was paused in 2014, so that the Greek economy returned to growth and the budget returned to primary surplus. The only reason this crisis occurred is that the IMF, the ECB and Germany refused to bend on the crushing debt repayment schedule that began with last week’s €1.5bn due to the IMF.

The ECB then intervened with the closure of Greece’s banks, an act that clearly displayed its politicisation.

The Greek government has made plenty of mistakes, including the referendum, which Tsipras assumed would come back with a “Yes”.

The unexpected, but overwhelming “No” vote, rejecting a plan that already been withdrawn, meant that Tsipras was negotiating with no popular mandate whatsoever.

In the event the deal he was bullied into accepting will be very difficult to actually implement. Even if, as seems likely, parliament accepts it and the can is kicked down the road for three years, it will simply delay the inevitable reckoning.

The greater immediate problem is the banks, which remain closed and can’t reopen.

Although 25 per cent of their deposits were drained away before they were closed, they still hold more than €100bn in deposits, which would be swiftly removed if they were opened.

They will need to be recapitalised and then capital controls and limits on withdrawals will have to stay in place for a long time. The only good news is that if €50bn in Europe-supervised privatisations can take place quickly enough, then depositors shouldn’t have to take a haircut as they did in Cyprus.

As for Europe more generally, its character has now changed. Instead of being a voluntary association of mutual support, it has turned into a hard currency bloc supported by punitive sanctions.

A member of the club is being treated callously, almost ruthlessly, and as it struggles under the burden of membership, faced with the total collapse of its banking system if it exits, the EU will be standing back and checking to see whether it has lived up to its near-impossible promises.

Simon Schama, the eminent historian, tweeted last night: “If Tsipras was wearing the crown of King Pyrrhus this time last week, Merkel is wearing it now. Her ultimatum beginning of end of EU.”

“Watch for profound psychological divisions to develop within EU: north-south; the surplus states and the beleaguered periphery.

“Punitive accounting will be felt, rightly or wrongly, as a kind of imperial occupation and no good for Europe will come of it.”

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